Biblical and historical reasons why Mitt Romney is not a Christian

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Novato

I don't respond much these days to the illiterate ravings of your ilk, however, when I read the unverifiable nonsense you have written here I am prompted to give some form of reply.

The real key here is that the true Gospel was never meant to be found within "biblical Christianity" . The only way to Truth is through the Holy Ghost's witness.

No LDS member would claim that the BoM is the only way to Truth, it is as imperfect as the Holy Bible because it is also the work of men.

Novato

Just one correction here--this was the post of Decalogue--not Julie--whom the post was credited to.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Just one correction here--this was the post of Decalogue--not Julie--whom the post was credited to.

Yeah, the software has been glitchy like that. I noticed it in some of my posts and others.

Edit: Btw, I agree with Novato that scripture cannot replace a real experience of God.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Libby

Yeah, the software has been glitchy like that. I noticed it in some of my posts and others.

Edit: Btw, I agree with Novato that scripture cannot replace a real experience of God.

I also agree that scripture is for the purpose of teaching us how to reach God---scripture is not there to replace God.

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

I also agree that scripture is for the purpose of teaching us how to reach God---scripture is not there to replace God.

Yet the scripture is God word. And because God changes NOT.. The scripture then is the same now as it has always been and reflects the salvation of God as He first explained it.. Because it is His word it is as dependable as if he were standing before us telling us of Himself and his ways to our face.. IHS jim

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by James Banta

Yet the scripture is God word. And because God changes NOT.. The scripture then is the same now as it has always been and reflects the salvation of God as He first explained it.. Because it is His word it is as dependable as if he were standing before us telling us of Himself and his ways to our face.. IHS jim

Yes, agree--the Bible is God's word---but anybody paying attention can see that the way the Bible has been read or what is meant by it has changed over the years which is why the Journal of Jewish Studies has an article which states that the belief that creation came from nothing is a belief that was influenced by Islam and Christianity after the death of Christ and is not historically a Jewish belief.

It is also why Catholism changed to Protestantism, etc.

[Libby]

Bibliolatry vs believing in Christ by Marcus Borg

http://afreshperspective-chuck.blogs...e-as-lens.html

Excerpt:

One semester, a very bright Muslim engineering student took the course. A senior, he did so because he needed another humanities course for graduation and the cl*** fit his schedule. One day, after witnessing Borg’s interaction with the more conservative students, he said to him, “I think I understand what’s going on. You’re saying the Bible is like a lens through which we see God, and they’re (the inerrantists) saying that it’s important to believe in the lens.”

That is a good ****ogy. When I am asked if I believe the Bible my response is: As a Christian I believe (I trust in) in Jesus of Nazareth, the living Christ who is my Lord. I use the Bible as a means to nurture a transformative relationship with God, whom I know through Jesus. The Bible is a lens through which I see God and Jesus.

Good article.

I like Borg. He makes a lot of sense.

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by Libby

Bibliolatry vs believing in Christ by Marcus Borg

http://afreshperspective-chuck.blogs...e-as-lens.html

Excerpt:



Good article.

I like Borg. He makes a lot of sense.

Yes you would like someone that removed the powers of God from the Lord Jesus.. After all He isn't the only God in your mind We are all just as much God as he was right? This is why I doubt your salvation, your membership in His Church.. IHS jim

[Libby]

Originally Posted by James Banta

Yes you would like someone that removed the powers of God from the Lord Jesus..

He hasn't done that, James. That would be impossible.

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

Yes, agree--the Bible is God's word---but anybody paying attention can see that the way the Bible has been read or what is meant by it has changed over the years which is why the Journal of Jewish Studies has an article which states that the belief that creation came from nothing is a belief that was influenced by Islam and Christianity after the death of Christ and is not historically a Jewish belief.

It is also why Catholism changed to Protestantism, etc.

Please show where the meaning of the scripture has been changed in any way.. I deny that it has, there is no proof I have ever seen that confirms such a denial of the promises of Jesus.. Such a statement is akin to saying that the Church was ever abandon by God and allowed to be lost to the world.. For Jesus made a promise that His word (And He is God so all the Bible is His word) would never p*** away, and that He would be with us until the very end of the age. How can a church deny that the promises of Jesus were kept and still call it's self a Christian church? More PROOF that mormonism is NOT Christian..

You again use the knowledge and wisdom of men to show your anti Christ teaching that Jesus was nothing but a liar. A Journal of Jewish studies is just that the opinions of mere men.. The Bible says that Jesus made all things visible and invisible, things that are in heaven, and that are in earth, thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him (Col 1:16).. What is there that exists that is not included in ALL things? So go ahead and use your references from the heart of mere men. I will rely on His word.. IHS jim

[BigJulie]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by James Banta

Please show where the meaning of the scripture has been changed in any way.. I deny that it has, there is no proof I have ever seen that confirms such a denial of the promises of Jesus

The proof can be seen in history that while the words of the Bible remain the same, how they are understood has changed. Do you still do infant baptism? Do you still have a bishop come confirm you with the Holy Ghost? These are all part of the Catholic church and yet, it has changed. Likewise, now we have some who believe that baptism means of the spirit only and not of water while others believe that the Biblical text supports woman pastors and others do not, etc. etc. etc.

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Such a statement is akin to saying that the Church was ever abandon by God and allowed to be lost to the world.. For Jesus made a promise that His word (And He is God so all the Bible is His word) would never p*** away, and that He would be with us until the very end of the age.

Actually, Christ's comment is that not one jot or ***tle of the law shall p*** away that they won't be fulfilled--acknowledging that the transcribers have not been perfect or read perfectly, but He will not forget what He has said. The proof of this can be seen in those transcribers denying Him as Jesus Christ. They wrote the law, but they did not comprehend the law. They had lost the living WORD for the word.

[Libby]

They had lost the living WORD for the word.

Yes, exactly.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by James Banta

Please show where the meaning of the scripture has been changed in any way..

Anyone who has a religion that teaches that there is no obedience to Jesus Christ necessary for His grace unto salvation has not only changed the meaning of the scriptures--they have revised them to fit the very design of satan himself.

I deny that it has, there is no proof I have ever seen that confirms such a denial of the promises of Jesus.. Such a statement is akin to saying that the Church was ever abandon by God and allowed to be lost to the world..For Jesus made a promise that His word (And He is God so all the Bible is His word) would never p*** away, and that He would be with us until the very end of the age.

When you refer to "us"--would that be the Catholics, the Lutherans, the Baptists--who?

How can a church deny that the promises of Jesus were kept and still call it's self a Christian church?

And how can one read the Bible and get out of it that God had dozens of different denominations teaching conflicting doctrines without the foundation of the living apostles of Christ? Just where do you find that in the Bible NT?

[Decalogue]

Originally Posted by James Banta

Yet the scripture is God word. And because God changes NOT.. The scripture then is the same now as it has always been and reflects the salvation of God as He first explained it.. Because it is His word it is as dependable as if he were standing before us telling us of Himself and his ways to our face.. IHS jim

James --- Amen ! Isaiah 40:8

Not one jot nor ***le ... Matthew 5:18

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Decalogue

James --- Amen ! Isaiah 40:8

Not one jot nor ***le ... Matthew 5:18

Actually--learning Hebrew, I can definitely attest that one jot or ***tle has been lost from the scriptures we have today, but they have not been lost to God; and that is the point.

Do you realize that there are words that have a vav instead of a jot and do you know that the Torah has both the vav and the jot (prints the word) twice because it is not known which one is right? (And it is from this, that we get our other translations.)

[Decalogue]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

Do you realize that ...

Do you not realize that you just keep talking yourself into a Christless eternity ?

I mentioned Matthew 5:18 --- spoken by The Lord Jesus Himself... and true to your L.D.S. upbringing , you have just called The King of Kings a liar.

Choose this day whom ye shall serve !

The Blessed Messiah who was nailed to a cross to pay for your sins , or will you continue to follow the lies of a of a blasphemer , water-witcher and buried treasure digger and serial adulterer ?!?

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Decalogue

Do you not realize that you just keep talking yourself into a Christless eternity ?

I mentioned Matthew 5:18 --- spoken by The Lord Jesus Himself... and true to your L.D.S. upbringing , you have just called The King of Kings a liar.

Choose this day whom ye shall serve !

The Blessed Messiah who was nailed to a cross to pay for your sins , or will you continue to follow the lies of a of a blasphemer , water-witcher and buried treasure digger and serial adulterer ?!?

I am not calling Christ a liar at all---just realizing that you misintrepret His words. His point is that HE knows what He has said regardless of the accuracy of the recording. In fact, based on what I have learned regarding the "jots" and "vavs"---Christ's words ring all the more true.