Biblical and historical reasons why Mitt Romney is not a Christian

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

You have no idea what you are talking about Libby and your ***essment is complete bunk.

I am quoting an official LDS publication and I quoted the entire snippet from the link. Are you telling me that you believe that BRM is wrong?

No, it's not "bunk". You took a quote from one person on a subject that I have already told you has many facets and is much more nuanced than your one quote. I even linked further information, for you, from a BYU publication. I have also told you what I was taught in my Ward. So, it should be clear to you, by now, that you are not giving a broad enough view of the issue.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

No, it's not "bunk". You took a quote from one person on a subject that I have already told you has many facets and is much more nuanced than your one quote.

So you disagree with the quote?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

I have also told you what I was taught in my Ward.

Who cares what you were taught in your ward. Do you really think the Joe Smoes in your ward trump an official published document by the LDS church?

[Libby]

Did you bother to read the link I posted or the excerpts, Billy? There is plenty of corroboration for what I was taught. You just don't seem to want to see it.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Did you bother to read the link I posted or the excerpts, Billy? There is plenty of corroboration for what I was taught. You just don't seem to want to see it.

Don't keep changing the subject Libby. Do you disagree with BRM's quote?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Don't keep changing the subject Libby. Do you disagree with BRM's quote?

Why do you care? I disagree with the quote and with what I was taught about the two churches. I don't believe any of it.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Why do you care?

Because you are wrong.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Because you are wrong.

In your opinion.

You are wrong to try and simplify subjects that are actually very complex.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

In your opinion.

You are wrong to try and simplify subjects that are actually very complex.

Do you disagree with BRM's quote?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

You are wrong to try and simplify subjects that are actually very complex.

BTW what is so complex with the concept of two churches?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Do you disagree with BRM's quote?

On a personal level, I absolutely disagree.

From an LDS perspective, it is incomplete, at best.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

From an LDS perspective, it is incomplete, at best.

Incomplete in what way?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

BTW what is so complex with the concept of two churches?

Oh my. Go back and read this whole conversation, again.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Oh my. Go back and read this whole conversation, again.

It is not complex at all in my opinion that is why I am asking you.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

It is not complex at all in my opinion that is why I am asking you.

Of course it isn't, from your perspective, because you want to use one little quote from BRM as absolute and irrefutable "doctrine" of the church. As I said, that doesn't fly....on most subjects, not just this one.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

As I said, that doesn't fly....on most subjects, not just this one.

It doesn't fly with you so that is why I am asking you what is so complex about this subject?

[Libby]

I think, perhaps, if you go back and read the entire discussion (and my link), again, you will see the complexity.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

I think, perhaps, if you go back and read the entire discussion (and my link), again, you will see the complexity.

Why don't you just tell me why you think it is so complex?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Why don't you just tell me why you think it is so complex?

Why should I take the time and trouble, when you, apparently, have not taken the time and trouble to read my previous explanations?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Why should I take the time and trouble, when you, apparently, have not taken the time and trouble to read my previous explanations?

Don't bother Libby. It really isn't that complex and you are just playing games with me.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Don't bother Libby. It really isn't that complex and you are just playing games with me.

You couldn't be more wrong, Billy. I often think you are the one playing games.

You ignore what you don't want to hear or whatever doesn't fit in with your paradigm and simply focus on what you "think" is true.

This issue of the two churches is much more complex and nuanced, than that one statement made by McConkie.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

This issue of the two churches is much more complex and nuanced, than that one statement made by McConkie.

BRM's statement is very clear and it is reprinted in an official LDS publication. I showed you that you were wrong and now you don't know what to do other than to say it is complex.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

BRM's statement is very clear and it is reprinted in an official LDS publication. I showed you that you were wrong and now you don't know what to do other than to say it is complex.

As I said, you ignore all other information that has already been posted.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

As I said, you ignore all other information that has already been posted.

Why don't you tell me why you think BRM's statement is false?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Yes, I saw where it came from. It still gets nuanced...at least, that was my experience. I have never had any teacher or member tell me that ALL other churches were completely false. I know for a fact that GBH did not teach that.

This is a strawman argument Libby. Nobody ever said that ALL other churches are COMPLETELY false.