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    Now that I have looked at what Rick needs to do in NH, it's time to turn our attention to what Mitt needs to happen in NH.....

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    Mitt's goal in NH?

    To win, and win big!

    Mitt needs to totally destroy all the rest of the field in NH.
    This will cause all the sources of money to all the other people left in the race to dry up.

    This would also give Mitt a very good chance to go into SC and win there too.

    A clean victory in both NH and SC would get Mitt to his real goal of having the nomination all wrapped up by Florida.

    And lets not overlook this fact.
    Mitt's goal is to have this all over by Florida so that from that point on he will not have to spend one dime running against any other Republicans.
    After Florida Mitt wants this election to be "Mitt against Obama"
    Not "Mitt against Rick and Ron"

    So to make this as painless as he can, Mitt needs to win in NH next week, and win big.

    Mitt needs to win big to be able to sweep into Sc and have that State not become a problem for him.

    right now, Rick is just praying to get enough money to make a "last stand " in SC.
    Rick known that his only real chance of overcoming Mitt's lead in this election is to beat Mitt in SC.

    If Rick can win SC he can force this game into extras innings and perhaps all the way to the convention.

    So this is why Mitt really needs to destroy the whole rest of the field in NH.
    A big victory for Mitt in NH next week will be the signal that he is unstoppable, and that any money given to the other guy is a pointless.

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    In most elections you win the Republican spot on the ticket by appealing to the far right, and then in the general election moving to the center.

    Mitt is going at this in a different way.

    Mitt is already to the center, and Mitt has done this because the way he thinks, he does not need the conservative wing of the Republican Party to come out to support him.

    Mitt's idea is that he can write-off the conservative Christians, and make up for this loss of their support by drawing more liberal/undecided voters.

    Has any person in modern history ever won doing this?...nope.
    But we shall see....we shall see....

    The answer might come for us early in SC.
    For in SC we will get our first real clear answer about the depth of support Mitt can count on from the Republican conservatives.
    If Mitt can win in NH and turn around and use this to get him another victory in SC, it would prove more or less to the whole Party that Mitt is getting the "Christian Vote"

    In a very real way, Rick's "Last Stand" is going to be SC.
    That is the only chance Rick has in this election...
    Does Rick have to win in SC?.....yes

    On a side note...even if Rick does lose in SC, he needs to yet make a strong showing to force Mitt to late pick him as the VP.

    a strong showing by Rick in SC would lead the party to put the screws on Mitt to make sure he picks a VP like Rick that will draw the needed Christian/conservatives to vote for him.

    a weak showing of Rick in SC would on the other hand show that Mitt's plan is actually working, and there is a chance ........
    Do I believe Mitt has a chance against Obama without strong support of Christians like myself?....no.

    I think that in the end, there will be a unspoken deal made between Mitt and guys like myself as to what we will expect from each other to beat Obama.

    But, we shall see.
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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...80601720120107


    The only time I actually get real mad during an election is when I see someone attempting to drag in kids into the issue....

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    Mitt's idea is that he can write-off the conservative Christians, and make up for this loss of their support by drawing more liberal/undecided voters.
    I don't think that Mitt has written off conservative Christians---I just think he has read the writing on the wall of "anyone but Mitt" at***ude that is going on and so not wasting money were it will do little good---but I think what he is counting on is that if he can win over the rest of the party, these anti-Mitt conservative Christians will come around.
    I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)--Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

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    Time to tell you my views on the "Newt" issue.

    Ever ask, "Why is Newt in this race?"

    I mean lets look at what Newt has been up to from the start of this.
    Newt has never once taken the steps a guy needs to take to raise the type of cash a guy needs to have if he wanted to make a serious run for the White House.

    Newt has never once tried to raise that type of money...

    In fact, remember his own staff actually walked out the door on Newt when it became clear to them all that Newt was not in this to win.
    Newts staff would try their best to get things lined up, they would make the phone calls, and get things ready for Newt to step up, and then.....?.....Newt would stay home and not show up....

    Newt left his own staff hanging time after time until they had had enough and walked out the door to join a different person's staff.

    Newt made only a few appearances in Iowa, and the results show his lack of effort.

    So why is he still hanging around?


    Newt can read as good as the next person.
    Newt can count.....
    Newt knows he don't have a chance to knock out Mitt.

    So why is Newt still acting as if he was tied for the lead?

    The answer I have come up with is that Newt is using the Primary as a means to pump-up his name value.
    Newt wants to get out of this the ability to have a higher price to attend one of his speeches.
    Newt wants his future appearances on TV's Sunday talk shows to be more of a big deal.

    and.......

    Newt knows that if he just stays in the news for a while, he might outlive Rick's popularity with Conservatives too.

    Yes, there is a chance that if Newt sticks around long enough, that Rick's poll numbers might sink the way Cain's did....and that would leave Newt as the last Conservative standing to carry the flag against Mitt.

    So......this is all that I see behind Newt's actions in this election when everyone knows he has not a chance in Hell of beating Mitt in a normal stand-up fight.

    Newt's in this to raise his stock with conservatives in the future.
    Newt's in this because he understands if Rick falls that he would be the last conservative guy left standing to go up against Mitt.
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    So what does Newt want?

    I would guess that Newt wants Rick to drop out of the race...LOL

    What do the other guys want?
    I would guess that Rick wants Newt to drop out of the race after NH and before SC.
    Rick knows he will need a strong showing in SC if he can have any real future dream of lasting until Florida.
    Rick knows also that if Newt is still in the race by the time SC rolls around that the two of them will be splitting the conservative vote, and this will only work to make Mitt's numbers look all the better.

    That is why Rick needs Newt to drop out after next week, and so clear the field for all the conservatives in Sc to only have one name to pick from to go against Mitt.


    Mitt on the other hand?

    Mitt clearly wants Newt to stick around and mess up the polling numbers in both NH and SC for the conservatives.

    Mitt knows that he is actually getting less than 24% support no matter what poll you look at of Republican voters, and so while this is a rather low percent if you think about it, it yet will be enough to win the ticket as long as everyone else polls lower than Mitt does.

    So Mitt knows he can's break past the low 20% numbers in the polls, and so he needs to keep Newt in the race drawing people away from all ganging up to support Rick.

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    So,I am watching the debate and I am thinking to myself--Newt brings up some really good points---Newt is a good debater. Than the last question of the night--would both Newt and Mitt drop their PAC ads--and the way Newt responded about the video regarding Bain Capitol, well, I thought--what a hypocritic--what a scum. Any points he won were toast. Now I find out his 5 million dollar backer is a casino capitolist and I think, I am not surprised at all. Newt is not a politician. Ultimately, he is a lobbyist. That has become obvious. So, what do I think about his "video expose" of Mitt? Hmmm, going after capitolism to beat the Republican base...why not just run as a Democrat? So, I wonder how many people will weep and cry for the capitolist tactics of a venture capitolist company? How many people will weep and cry that union members whose company was going under did not keep their union *** and pay as Bain reshaped their companies? I guess that is the argument right now in the country. Do we innovate and keep up so we can compete or do we try to keep our typewriters and our steel company employees with their union paychecks and pensions?
    I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)--Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

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    Want to know who did the best in the debate?

    This guy did.....

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...cid=ansmsnbc11


    I could not believe that Mitt said the silly thing that he said...

    Im going to have to take a 2nd look at this Jon Huntsman.
    What I saw was a guy handle an attack the way I would have expected a true leader would handle it.

    Up to this last debate I never really gave Jon Huntsman a real look.
    But Im thinking now that this guy might actually be the real deal.


    Mitt on the other hand?
    confirmed my views about him being just a shell......an empty shell...that ****s back and forth in the wind.

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    i remember now....

    I remember what I thought of the moment I heard Mitt make this regrettable and un-American attack against Jon Huntsman.

    There was a TV show I loved a while ago called The West Wing....and on that show once there was a similar attack made against a Republican for serving a Democratic President that was just like what Mitt tried to do against Jon Huntsman in the last debate.


    I will do a search and see if I can find that clip.......

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udIUW...eature=related


    and......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP3owlMdxls


    Mitt's comment calls to mind this episode of West Wing, where 2 a__holes attack the lone Republican working for a Liberal Dem president..
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZq7DN4g3Ro

    compare this moment in the debate to this moment on West Wing

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk5NwLr3OmQ

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    So Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman did very good in the last debate..

    Mitt showed he really is an a__hole for attacking a guy who would serve his country...

    and so who lost the debate?
    Rick did......no question about it.

    Rick had his big moment in the limelight to shine,,,he needed to show that he deserves to carry the flag for the conservatives.
    and.........
    well....

    he kinda showed he was not really what the conservatives were looking for.

    Im not saying that Rick is finished..
    But I am saying that Rick needed to impress....Rick needed to take control...Rick needed people to forget about Mitt.
    But...

    But Rick sorta looked like a trainee up there.....

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    Today "IS" the day!

    Today we have the first real test of the true deep-down view that Republicans have of Mitt, and we will know if later in the general election against Obama if Mitt has the type of support he needs to count on to win.

    Today will show us all the answers to all the questions i have been tossing out into this conversation.

    I will go over the many ideas I have about what this day will mean to the people in this race as this day goes on, but right now I just wanted to say that it will be so much fun tonight to learn the real answers and not just have to guess how things stand.

    We will know....

    We will know how Mitt stands and who supports him and who does not.

    We will know where Mitt has done a good *** and where he needs to work harder yet.

    We will know if Mitt has this all wrapped up, or will this drag on into SC?

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    What Does Mitt Need To Happen Today?


    Mitt needs to destroy his compe***ion today.
    Mitt knows that today is the whole primary in one day for his race to the White House.

    Mitt needs to show that he is not just the front runner, but is already in the race against Obama.

    So what does this mean Mitt needs?
    it means that Mitt knows full well that he cant draw less than around 30% of the NH vote today.

    Mitt knows also that he has to get out of his being stuck at the mid-20s% of the Republican vote.
    He knows that to be a serious contender against Obama he will need to show right here today for all to see that he has this wrapped up with the needed Conservative support of his Party to take on the Dems.

    26% - 28% today for Mitt is a loss for him....
    No matter that the other guys finish will less.
    Mitt has to finish with a 30% vote total or higher to be able to claim a victory in NH .


    What Mitt is likely looking to receive today is around a 36% to about 56% of the vote....But the higher the better!

    a win at 36% would be death for all the others in the race that had a hope if making a close game of it next week in SC.

    a 40% vote for Mitt would cause everyone except for the die-hards to swing to support him.
    if he gets 40% then everyone will start to turn and start asking "Who will Mitt pack as his VP?"

    I think a 40% or better result for Mitt tonight will grab the attention of the country, and will have everyone looking.
    I think all the others would suddenly start to find things of merit in Mitt, as they all start to let Mitt know they would be interested in joining him on the ticket.
    It's going to be fun to watch how people that had nothing good to say about each other and each other's supporters, now suddenly find all kinds of nice things to say about each other...LOL

    a 50% or better vote tonight to support Mitt would likely cause even the guys in 2nd and 3rd place to reconsider going on to Sc and Florida.


    Mitt not only needs a higher percent to say he won in NH, he also needs Rick to fall apart.

    Mitt would love to see the headline in tomorrow's paper to be talking about what a disappointment Rick is following the results of the NH primary.

    Mitt needs all the talk of Rick's rise in the polls to now be replaced with talk of Rick's fall in the polls.

    After today Mitt would like Rick to be a non-issue in the election..
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    So Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman did very good in the last debate..

    Mitt showed he really is an a__hole for attacking a guy who would serve his country...
    An interesting point of view. I saw the debate and saw it differently. What is happening is China right now is destroying our country. They are keeping the value of their money purposely low which enables them to export and undercut our at-home prices. They are stealing our intellectual property at rapid rates. This isn't just something Romney is saying, this is fact. The fact is---if we get tough on them about trade, they stand as much (if not more) to lose than we do. What Romney attacked Huntsman on was that fact that not only was he perpetuating bad policy under this administration, Huntsman continues to defend it. China is the Russia of our new global economy. Huntsman wants to go soft, Romney doesn't. Huntsman twisted his continuing support (during the campaign) of Obama's policy into being a "servant of the country."

    Obviously, you fell for this. I guess I can add Huntsman to your long list of who you have supported over this time period---Cain, to Newt, to Huntsman. I guess now you can at least pat yourself on the back that your "any one but Mitt" mentality includes another Mormon....even if you know there is no chance of him winning.
    I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)--Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

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    When the President calls on you to serve your country,,,,you serve and feel honored to do so.

    I find not even the hint of something wrong in the actionas and statements of Huntsman.

    If Mitt cant see this fact,,,,if Mitt cant see this as doing your duty to this country...Then I could never vote for Mitt....no matter he wins the primary or not.

    What we see in Mitt's at***ude is the complete foolishness of putting Party loyalty ahead of Patriotism.


    I think we may see the recording played a lot over this next year of Mitt attempting to use Huntsman's patriotism against him.
    This might be one of the things that points us to the conclusion that the undecided voter went with Obama over Mitt in the general election.


    Im going to have to BOOKMARK this part of this topic so I can refer back to it over the next year and point out that it was right "HERE" where we saw the first sign that Mitt's plan to abandon the Conservatives in hope of attracting the Independents was going to fall apart.

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    I have been keeping track of how things are going today as they vote in NH,...

    And I must say that Newt sure has gotten a lot of mileage off of his last appearance in the debate.

    I really didn't think he was one of the winners of that last debate, but from all the talk on the radio and Tv and on the different political websites , it does seem clear that the last debate has put Newt back in the hunt....

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    When the President calls on you to serve your country,,,,you serve and feel honored to do so.
    And then do you continue to promote bad policy under that administration that is hurting our country. The fact is, China is manipulating their currency. The fact is that China is stealing intellectual property rights at a scary pace. So, I heard Romney stating that Huntsman's defending of this type of policy is exactly what is huritng our country. It is one thing to serve---it is another thing to defend bad policy which is what Huntsman has been doing.

    I find not even the hint of something wrong in the actionas and statements of Huntsman.
    Then you haven't been paying attention to why we are losing ***s to China. China is not taking our ***s because of cheap labor. The law of comparative advantages would say that we should be able to export to their growing economy. We are not because of their unfair trade practices. If you think Huntsman is a "servant" for defending this type of practice--well, let's just keep giving up our economic well-being to China.

    If Mitt cant see this fact,,,,if Mitt cant see this as doing your duty to this country
    Do you realize that Mitt was making a point about Huntsman's political point of view and why he was doing what he was doing. Huntsman continued to defend this view throughout the debate. How do you get up as a candidate and go against the very thing you have been doing as a "servant"--the very thing that has been hurting our country because you have been doing it? Huntsman can't take a strong stance against China because he has been supporting the very policies that have been hurting us. You can go ahead and call that American. Some would just say "no thank you" when asked to do something that is economically hurtful to their country.

    Then I could never vote for Mitt
    Alan, there is nothing at this point that could convince me that you have ever had an unbiased eye toward Mitt. You shouldn't says "then I could never"---when you never would have in the first place.


    Im going to have to BOOKMARK this part of this topic so I can refer back to it over the next year and point out that it was right "HERE" where we saw the first sign that Mitt's plan to abandon the Conservatives in hope of attracting the Independents was going to fall apart.
    So, I stopped ever listening to Rush the minute he started defending Herman Cain. As a woman, I cannot join in with a bunch of woman-bashers. Then today I read on the news that Rush is pointing out that if the Republicans are all going after capitolism as the "evil" of this country, then there is no hope. Ron Paul is also addressing the fact that Newt going after capitolism is a divisive move that will destroy any hope the republican base has in restoring a free market against socialism. Wow, I never thought I would be thanking Rush for stating the obvious or Ron Paul for understanding how the American economy works.

    The way it is going, if Newt keeps it up, and if people like you keep believing that supporting China is "serving" our country and capitolism is the enemy--well, we have four more years of Obama because there is nothing else.
    I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)--Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

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    So lets review my views on tonight's outcome and what things may mean for Mitt?


    If Mitt stomps on the rest of the field, then this race is over.
    To truly end this here and now Mitt would need to get more percent of the vote than all the rest added up together.

    This would mean over 50% for Mitt tonight would spell the end of everyone's dreams this time around.

    On the flip side.....Whats a loss of Mitt?

    I would say that anything under 30% to around 36% tonight for Mitt would be seen as a loss for Mitt.

    Mitt needs to make a clear showing that he is the leader tonight.
    a less than 30% total for him is just going to invite people to start looking for someone else to get into this race.

    a 20-30% outcome would be a lot of trouble....
    It depends on how things pan out, but if Mitt actually comes in 2nd?...then all bets are off!

    What if Mitt came in 3rd?

    If Mitt came in 3rd tonight there would be a calling within the Party for him to get out of the race now, and make room for someone else to step up.

    So the best thing for Mitt to do tonight is finish with around 40% of the vote, and far ahead of the pack.

    The worst thing to do tonight is get less than 30% as that would mean he clearly is not going to win this without a long dragged-out fight into the spring.


    we shall see...


    So if Mitt gets above 36% tonight it would mean that no one else has a chance...and that this is mostly all over.

    30% to 36% tonight would mean that people would be still saying that Mitt is unable to carry the conservatives and that he is in a lot of trouble even within his own Party, let alone thinking he can take on a sitting President.

    24% to 30% for Mitt tonight would mean to everyone in the Party that Mitt just is not the guy.......and that the Party better pick someone else fast.
    .....and....

    and if Mitt gets less than 24% tonight regardless of where that puts him in the ranking, the Party leadership would start to ease him out of the race before Florida.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udIUW...eature=related


    and......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP3owlMdxls


    So far this moment in the election still means the most to me....
    This is the moment I think I saw Mitt's appeal to the undecided voter fail...

    but we shall see.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udIUW...eature=related


    and......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP3owlMdxls


    So far this moment in the election still means the most to me....
    This is the moment I think I saw Mitt's appeal to the undecided voter fail...

    but we shall see.....
    I guess I don't make my political decision based on a T.V. show but rather my education regarding the world, economics, and our history/cons***ution.
    I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)--Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

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    I think what that one moment showed me was the true measure of the man...

    Huntsman came forth and spoke the words that I think needed saying.

    I have members of my family that have went off to serve this country in Iraq over the last few years.
    I enjoyed hearing Huntsman's views that serving this country, even if you might disagree with it or not, is the most important thing a patriotic American can do.


    How sad to hear a Republican say what I heard said against Huntsman's ability of looking past ideology and only asking, "What can I do?"


    Serving the United States when the President calls you and tells you that "The country needs you" is an thing that is a credit to any American.

    Im proud to say I find much in agreement with Huntsman's views on that issue.

    It is very nice to find that there still are people in this race that seem to have views that are in agreement with my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    I think what that one moment showed me was the true measure of the man...

    Huntsman came forth and spoke the words that I think needed saying.

    I have members of my family that have went off to serve this country in Iraq over the last few years.
    I enjoyed hearing Huntsman's views that serving this country, even if you might disagree with it or not, is the most important thing a patriotic American can do.


    How sad to hear a Republican say what I heard said against Huntsman's ability of looking past ideology and only asking, "What can I do?"


    Serving the United States when the President calls you and tells you that "The country needs you" is an thing that is a credit to any American.

    Im proud to say I find much in agreement with Huntsman's views on that issue.

    It is very nice to find that there still are people in this race that seem to have views that are in agreement with my own.
    It is another thing to serve---it is another thing to defend the policies of this failed administration which you implemented when you served.
    I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)--Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

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    This morning Drudge had Mitt at 39% as i write this.

    The 39% is very close to the 40% I talked about was key to this election's future, so I should now go back and see what my projections were that I made about such an outcome?,
    and what I also projected this means for the people in the race going into SC?

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