Did you forget which verse we were speaking about?Originally Posted by dberrie2000
Philippians 1
6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
Tell me what this verse teaches.
That the work of Christ is not complete until it is over--meaning once-saved-always-saved is false--and instantaneous salvation is false also.
As Paul stated:
Philippians3:14 ---"I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."
What mark was Paul pressing toward?
And if Jesus starts and completes the work what does that mean?
That means the work of salvation goes on to the end--not once-saved-always-saved or instantaneous salvation.
We all press toward the mark--just as Paul was:
Philippians3:14 ---"I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."
What mark was Paul pressing toward?
Which means that one who is saved will remain saved.
The mark is sanctification.. Complete obedience to the Law of Jesus found inMatthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Sanctification is NOT justification. We are not sanctified until all sin is removed from our hearts. As long as we walk in these shells of death we will NOT receive sanctification. That doesn't mean that sin still holds us in it's grip, We have been made as through we had never sinned.. We are justified by the blood of the lamb and made the likeness of the Son through that blood. That is justification , freely given through faith in Jesus. (Romans 3:24-26).. IHS jim
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Psalm 119:105
Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
That the work of Christ is not complete until it is over--meaning once-saved-always-saved is false--and instantaneous salvation is false also.
As Paul stated:
Philippians3:14 ---"I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."
What mark was Paul pressing toward?
Can one inherit eternal life without sanctification?
What does the Bible say is the requirement for salvation?
Come on DB we have been over this hundreds of times now.
Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
That the work of Christ is not complete until it is over--meaning once-saved-always-saved is false--and instantaneous salvation is false also.
As Paul stated:
Philippians3:14 ---"I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."
What mark was Paul pressing toward?
Originally Posted by James Banta View Post----The mark is sanctification.. Complete obedience to the Law of Jesus found in
Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post----Can one inherit eternal life without sanctification?
That's what I am asking Jim--is sanctification necessary for eternal life?
But I will ask you also--is sanctification necessary for eternal life?
Last edited by dberrie2000; 07-20-2012 at 06:00 AM.
Sanctification takes place in people who are already saved. Now how about answering my question?
What does the Bible say is the requirement for salvation?
So--you are saying that sanctification is not necessary for eternal life?
If a person is saved then dies soon after that person doesn't undergo the process of sanctification (which is becoming more and more Christlike over time because of God working in those who are already saved) and yet is still saved, the thief in the cross is a perfect example of this. You seem confused by the term "sanctification" perhaps you can define it for me and tell me what role you believe it has with salvation/eternal life.
Hmmm. Well-let's see what another might have to say about sanctification:
http://bible.org/article/regeneratio...sanctification
It is important to keep in mind the fact that all three Persons in the Godhead are active in the believer’s Sanctification. Man was created in the likeness and image of God, and he was God’s possession by creative right. But Adam’s sin broke the relationship between God and himself. In Preparatory Sanctification God included the means whereby fallen man could be restored to a right relationship with Himself. And what was that divinely provided means? The Blood of Christ! God could not set apart an unclean sinner for His possession and purpose, therefore, He purchased and purified the sinner by the Blood of His Son. “Wherefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered without the gate” (Hebrews 13:12). “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all” (Hebrews 10:10). The once-for-all sacrifice of God’s Son purchased the once-for-all Sanctification for the sinner. “For by one offering He hath perfected forever them that are sanctified” (Hebrews 10:14). Apart from the atoning Blood of Christ, man could not be set apart unto God. But the moment we receive God’s Son we are said to be “in Him,” a phrase used more than seventy times in Paul’s Epistles denoting the believer’s unaltered and unalterable position. Thus we are sanctified by the Blood of Christ.
Are you saying that the Blood of Christ is not necessary for salvation?
The blood of Christ is absolutely required for salvation which takes place when we place our faith in Christ. Ongoing sanctification takes place after salvation.
The blood of Christ is absolutely required for salvation which takes place when we place our faith in Christ. Ongoing sanctification takes place after salvation. I am surprised that after all of this time you were unaware of this. BTW wha do my beliefs have to do withMormonism? Are you trying to divert again?
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