The Regeneration through water baptism

[RealFakeHair]

The love of God is an amazing thing and I through the power of the atonement, I don't have to accept mediocrity.

I truly do have a testimony that with God all things are possible. He wants my life to be glorious and good. God doesn't save me in my sin--He changed me and saves me from my sin.

Any ol Baptist could say most of these same words, however to the eye of the common person of faith is will p*** them by as similar.
However I am no common person, uncommon maybe is not the correct word.
Atonement, what does that mean to a mormon?
The Atonement for mormons was the mormon jesus sufferage in the Garden of Gethsemane. The Cross was secondary moot point in fact.
What is mediocrity to a TBM? Less than godhood, or goddess.
God never promised us a rose garden. He said. PHl 1:29. For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake..

God doesn't save me in my sin, He changed me and saves me from my sin.
Elaborate on this sentence. It sound like your sins are all around you but can't touch you, or something?

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

The love of God is an amazing thing and I through the power of the atonement, I don't have to accept mediocrity.

I truly do have a testimony that with God all things are possible. He wants my life to be glorious and good. God doesn't save me in my sin--He changed me and saves me from my sin.

Any ol Baptist could say most of these same words, however to the eye of the common person of faith is will p*** them by as similar.

However I am no common person, uncommon maybe is not the correct word.

Could you elaborate between the difference of common person of faith and the any other person of faith?

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000
And how does your opinion cancel out, cover, or annul the fact that the ECF identified the "washing of regeneration" as water baptism--and the fact that they agreed--water baptism was essential for salvation?

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

John's baptism and Jesus Baptism are two different baptism.

Jesus' baptism included water baptism:


St Matthew3:16--"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"

The same as the Christian baptism--the water and the Spirit:


Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

A person can be baptismed in water in both names and it doesn't mean a thing is one is not Born Again,

Henry Alford: "Observe, there is here no figure: the words are literal: Baptism is taken as in all its completion, the outward visible sign accompanied by the inward spiritual grace; and as thus complete, it not only represents, but is the new birth." At Hebrews 10:22, Alford says the clause having our body washed with pure water "refers directly to Christian baptism" and cites washing of water (Eph. 5:26) and washing of regeneration (***. 3:5) as "****ogous expressions" (The Greek New Testament).

as Jesus told Nicoldemus. We are first born of water, the flesh, and then to be reborn we are born of the Spirit.

That's the faith alone tale--here is the scriptural truth:

St John3:5--"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Peter came to realize this when he said. "Even baptism doth also now save us, (Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience towards God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

What part of "Even baptism doth also now save us," are we not getting?

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

Balogna. Speak for yourself.

Are you telling us that you are worthy? To be so you must demand there is no sin in you. If you make that demand you confess to us that there is no truth in you (1 John 1:8).. So which is it are you perfect in your ways before God or are you like us and admit that you are a sinner.. If you are a sinner How do you deal with that sin? Do you repent of each and ever sin you commit or do you look to Jesus confessing your sin and taking His righteousness as your own (Romans 4:24).. So far all I see in your words here is that you deceive yourself .. IHS jim

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Jesus' baptism included water baptism:


St Matthew3:16--"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"

The same as the Christian baptism--the water and the Spirit:


Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."




Henry Alford: "Observe, there is here no figure: the words are literal: Baptism is taken as in all its completion, the outward visible sign accompanied by the inward spiritual grace; and as thus complete, it not only represents, but is the new birth." At Hebrews 10:22, Alford says the clause having our body washed with pure water "refers directly to Christian baptism" and cites washing of water (Eph. 5:26) and washing of regeneration (***. 3:5) as "****ogous expressions" (The Greek New Testament).




That's the faith alone tale--here is the scriptural truth:

St John3:5--"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."




What part of "Even baptism doth also now save us," are we not getting?

Once again, water never saved anyone. The Holy Bible never tells us water baptism saved anyone. However Jesus said, drink from this cup of living water.
All one need for their Eternal Salvation is to drink from Jesus cup, and that cup is to receive willingly His saving Grace as written in St John 3:16. Amen.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

Once again, water never saved anyone.

The scriptures teach that water baptism is essential for salvation--the same testmony the Early Church Fathers bore to all as a great and eternal truth.

I do not believe that the scriptures take that to mean that water baptism in and by itself saves--anymore than repentance or faith in Christ saves--but they are principles and ordinance that is essential in order to receive the saving grace of Christ.

The Holy Bible never tells us water baptism saved anyone.

Although I agree with the intent of your point--I do not even believe you can fully make that point either:


1 Peter3:21--The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us....

However one might want to read it--water baptism was taught as a saving doctrine of Jesus Christ, IE--that those who obeyed God, and repented and were water baptized--received of His grace unto the forgiveness of sins.

Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

However Jesus said, drink from this cup of living water.
All one need for their Eternal Salvation is to drink from Jesus cup, and that cup is to receive willingly His saving Grace as written in St John 3:16. Amen.

Could you explain for us how repenting and being water baptized for the forgiveness of sins is not drinking of the living waters?

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

The scriptures teach that water baptism is essential for salvation--the same testmony the Early Church Fathers bore to all as a great and eternal truth.

I do not believe that the scriptures take that to mean that water baptism in and by itself saves--anymore than repentance or faith in Christ saves--but they are principles and ordinance that is essential in order to receive the saving grace of Christ.




Although I agree with the intent of your point--I do not even believe you can fully make that point either:


1 Peter3:21--The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us....

However one might want to read it--water baptism was taught as a saving doctrine of Jesus Christ, IE--that those who obeyed God, and repented and were water baptized--received of His grace unto the forgiveness of sins.

Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."





Could you explain for us how repenting and being water baptized for the forgiveness of sins is not drinking of the living waters?

no it is not the same, I don't know where you come up with that?
IN no way, How in the word could someone recieve the Holy Ghost, if before hand they had to be water baptized?

We water baptize because it is commanded that we do so in the Name of the Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost. Matt, 18.
We are not commanded to water baptize to be SAVED!
Water baptism is a ritual, nothing more, and nothing less.

[James Banta]

[dberrie2000;130754]The scriptures teach that water baptism is essential for salvation--the same testmony the Early Church Fathers bore to all as a great and eternal truth.

I do not believe that the scriptures take that to mean that water baptism in and by itself saves--anymore than repentance or faith in Christ saves--but they are principles and ordinance that is essential in order to receive the saving grace of Christ.

What you believe, that is the gospel according to dberrie, just doesn't matter! What is important is what God has told us.. He said that without shedding of Blood there is no remission of sin. That Jesus died shedding His blood as an atonement for sin. That He who knew no sen became sin in our place that we could become the righteousness of God in His place.. Berrie, WATER JUST CAN'T DO THE ***. It requires BLOOD and only BLOOD.. Baptism saves us only is having a good conscious toward God. It does NOT put away the filth of the flesh. The Bible therefore NEVER teaches that we are saved through water baptism.. No matter how much a man says it. No matter how important they seemed to be even in the early Church, baptism just has no means to cleanse sin from men..

Only the grace offered to those who hold faith in Jesus. If a person believes that can access his blood and be cleansed through faith in some other man's invented God, whether it be an idol of stone or an image they have built in their heart, an image that doesn't conform to every attribute that God has given to us of Himself such as having been God from everlasting and continuing as the only true God to eternity, they are in idolatry. There is no salvation in faith in such as that, there is no salvation in being baptized into such as that.. The only principle of salvation which we need to observed is to be open to God's gift of faith in Jesus.. With that God will also provide the grace..

1 Peter3:21--The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us....

(NOT the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ

It would be nice if you could make your point using all the context of even a verse but you did well because to use the whole verse you can see that baptism doesn't cleanse anyone of the filth of this world but is a testimony of what God has done within us cleansing us and making us His own.. I know you can do it so try a bit harder to be honest when you quote scripture..

However one might want to read it--water baptism was taught as a saving doctrine of Jesus Christ, IE--that those who obeyed God, and repented and were water baptized--received of His grace unto the forgiveness of sins.

Since no one has ever obeyed God in the flesh save Jesus your premise for receive grace is flawed.. Grace (The unmerited favor of God) can't be earned through works, not even though obedience. It is given to those who have faith in Jesus plus NOTHING.. It is NOT OF WORKS.. No one will be able to say "Look what I earned".. It will only be look what GOD has done from us through our LORD Jesus!!!

Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Could you explain for us how repenting and being water baptized for the forgiveness of sins is not drinking of the living waters?

Every Christian will tell you that the things they do in God's service are not their works but their LORD's works He does through them. The loving waters in Jesus Himself. because our good works belong to Him even baptism is done for Him not for us. It is because we believe in Him that our sins are remitted.. Water just doesn't have the power to take on sin.. Blood is required, the blood of an eternal sacrifice. Baptism just hasn't the ability to to bring us to God.. If it had that power Jesus didn't need to go to the cross.. He could have died in His sleep. But the Law requires BLOOD! IHS jim

[theway]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

St John3:5--"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

I have already shown Billy that almost every single one of the ECFs and every one of the Protestant fathers quoted this verse in order to show that "WATER baptism" was necessary for salvation as well as faith. His response has always been, "Does not..."

I guess the whole early church really was in total apostasy according to Billyray.

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by theway

I have already shown Billy that almost every single one of the ECFs and every one of the Protestant fathers quoted this verse in order to show that "WATER baptism" was necessary for salvation as well as faith. His response has always been, "Does not..."

I guess the whole early church really was in total apostasy according to Billyray.

Could you tell me how much water saves you?
one drop? one Gallon? an ocean full?
You can't answer this, no one ever has.
I can tell you just one drop of blood can save your soul.
Jesus paid the price, all one needs is to believe, do you?
Once again, the Holy Bible never tells us Water baptism saves us.

[dberrie2000]

dberrie----The scriptures teach that water baptism is essential for salvation--the same testmony the Early Church Fathers bore to all as a great and eternal truth.

I do not believe that the scriptures take that to mean that water baptism in and by itself saves--anymore than repentance or faith in Christ saves--but they are principles and ordinance that is essential in order to receive the saving grace of Christ.

James Banta---- What is important is what God has told us.. He said that without shedding of Blood there is no remission of sin.

That's a scriptural fact---and this is what is taught, preached, and performed throughout the Biblical NT history:


Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

The forgiveness of sins is made possible for all men due to the Atonememt. The actual reception of personal forgiveness of sins was made possible through repentance and water baptism--just as the Early Church Fathers bore testimony to--without exception.

And what Christ and His disciples taught in the Biblical NT.

dberrie-----1 Peter3:21--The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us....

James Banta---(NOT the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ

It would be nice if you could make your point using all the context of even a verse but you did well because to use the whole verse you can see that baptism doesn't cleanse anyone of the filth of this world

I agree--water baptism, nor repentance, nor faith in Christ,etc. cleanses us from sin.

It is God's Blood that does that--and that grace goes to those who obey Him--such as repentance and water baptism for the remission of sins.

What is it about the command to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins that you do not believe?

dberrie----However one might want to read it--water baptism was taught as a saving doctrine of Jesus Christ, IE--that those who obeyed God, and repented and were water baptized--received of His grace unto the forgiveness of sins.

James Banta----Since no one has ever obeyed God in the flesh save Jesus your premise for receive grace is flawed..

Then so is the scriptures:

Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

What is it about repentance and water baptism that you do not consider obedience to Jesus Christ--and what is it about the forgiveness of sins that you do not consider His grace?


Are you saying that no one has ever repented and have been water baptized?


Acts2:38-42--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

That's a scriptural fact---and this is what is taught, preached, and performed throughout the Biblical NT history:


Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

The forgiveness of sins is made possible for all men due to the Atonememt. The actual reception of personal forgiveness of sins was made possible through repentance and water baptism--just as the Early Church Fathers bore testimony to--without exception.

And what Christ and His disciples taught in the Biblical NT.






I agree--water baptism, nor repentance, nor faith in Christ,etc. cleanses us from sin.

It is God's Blood that does that--and that grace goes to those who obey Him--such as repentance and water baptism for the remission of sins.

What is it about the command to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins that you do not believe?







Then so is the scriptures:

Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

What is it about repentance and water baptism that you do not consider obedience to Jesus Christ--and what is it about the forgiveness of sins that you do not consider His grace?


Are you saying that no one has ever repented and have been water baptized?


Acts2:38-42--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

Once again, you overlook something worthy of thought.
Act 10: 47. Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?'

Jesus baptism trumps all, and Jesus baptized by Fire, ie the Holy Ghost.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

Once again, you overlook something worthy of thought.
Act 10: 47. Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?'

Jesus baptism trumps all, and Jesus baptized by Fire, ie the Holy Ghost.

Read it through. As it reads, Peter brought with him gentiles and the Jews witnessed that the Holy Ghost was poured onto them as well. Peter then (through this verse) basically asks, should any of these not be baptized--can we forbid them from being baptized as it was evident that they had the Holy Ghost poured out on them?

In other words, those who have received a witness of the Holy Ghost (whether Jew or gentile) should not be denied baptism.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

Once again, you overlook something worthy of thought.

Act 10: 47. Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?'

Jesus baptism trumps all, and Jesus baptized by Fire, ie the Holy Ghost.

And again--the Holy Ghost and water baptism is connected in the scriptures:



Acts10:45-48--"And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

And again--the Holy Ghost and water baptism is connected in the scriptures:



Acts10:45-48--"And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."

The new believers had receive the Holy Ghost as well as (We).
What does that mean? It means they received the Baptism of whom? Jesus Christ, and if you are trying to say, Jesus Christ baptism isn't good enough to save me, That I must also have John the Baptist baptism, then I say, That's Crazy!

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

The new believers had receive the Holy Ghost as well as (We).
What does that mean? It means they received the Baptism of whom? Jesus Christ, and if you are trying to say, Jesus Christ baptism isn't good enough to save me, That I must also have John the Baptist baptism, then I say, That's Crazy!

RealFake, you seem to be missing the point that AFTER the gentiles had received a witness of the Holy Ghost, they were then baptized by water. Apparently Peter does not agree with you that the Holy Ghost was enough. But, he was just an apostle chosen by Christ. Why bother to listen to him when you know better?

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

RealFake, you seem to be missing the point that AFTER the gentiles had received a witness of the Holy Ghost, they were then baptized by water. Apparently Peter does not agree with you that the Holy Ghost was enough. But, he was just an apostle chosen by Christ. Why bother to listen to him when you know better?

No, The Holy Bible didn't say the gentiles received a witness of the Holy Ghost, they received the Holy Ghost just like Peter had.
Peter command they be baptized in the name of the Lord, and they were.
Peter did not say baptize them so they might be saved.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

No, The Holy Bible didn't say the gentiles received a witness of the Holy Ghost, they received the Holy Ghost just like Peter had.
Peter command they be baptized in the name of the Lord, and they were.
Peter did not say baptize them so they might be saved.

Oh---so, your problem isn't that Peter wanted them baptized, your problem is that you believe that they were already saved because they have received the Holy Spirit poured out on them. So then, why do you think it was important to Peter that they were baptized? Especially in light of this verse:

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Why be baptized if they already received the Holy Ghost?)

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

Oh---so, your problem isn't that Peter wanted them baptized, your problem is that you believe that they were already saved because they have received the Holy Spirit poured out on them. So then, why do you think it was important to Peter that they were baptized? Especially in light of this verse:

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Why be baptized if they already received the Holy Ghost?)

They had received the Holy Ghost, they had by-past the water.
They as Peter came to understand more fully in 1 Peter 3:21.
Peter got what you and other works doctrine believes haven't gotten to this date, and that is; baptism of a good conscience towards God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ...
Salvation has nothing to do with water, it has all to do with the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, through believing on Jesus Christ, and Him alone.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

They had received the Holy Ghost, they had by-past the water.
They as Peter came to understand more fully in 1 Peter 3:21.
Peter got what you and other works doctrine believes haven't gotten to this date, and that is; baptism of a good conscience towards God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ...
Salvation has nothing to do with water, it has all to do with the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, through believing on Jesus Christ, and Him alone.

I agree that was are saved by Christ. That said, Christ teaches us to be baptized.

And the verse you brought up is Peter teaching why Christ went and taught those who died prior to the flood in their ig.norant state and how baptism represents being reborn in Christ. That does not negate him teaching baptism for the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

I agree that was are saved by Christ. That said, Christ teaches us to be baptized.

And the verse you brought up is Peter teaching why Christ went and taught those who died prior to the flood in their ig.norant state and how baptism represents being reborn in Christ. That does not negate him teaching baptism for the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Jesus commanded us to baptize, but never said our Savation depended on it.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000
And again--the Holy Ghost and water baptism is connected in the scriptures:


Acts10:45-48--"And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

The new believers had receive the Holy Ghost as well as (We).
What does that mean? It means they received the Baptism of whom? Jesus Christ, and if you are trying to say, Jesus Christ baptism isn't good enough to save me, That I must also have John the Baptist baptism, then I say, That's Crazy!

Just a point here, RFH--Repentance and water baptism was given for the same reason throughout the NT--the remission of sins:


St Mark1:1-4--"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."



Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."


Acts22:16--"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."


The only question left to ask is--do you believe the remission of sins is somehow connected to salvation?

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Just a point here, RFH--Repentance and water baptism was given for the same reason throughout the NT--the remission of sins:


St Mark1:1-4--"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."



Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."


Acts22:16--"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."


The only question left to ask is--do you believe the remission of sins is somehow connected to salvation?

Once again, they received the Holy Ghost and then were baptized in water.
ie, they receieve the Gift of the Holy Ghost, Salvation, and then were water baptized.

What part of this do you not understand?

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000
Just a point here, RFH--Repentance and water baptism was given for the same reason throughout the NT--the remission of sins:


St Mark1:1-4--"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."



Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."


Acts22:16--"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."


The only question left to ask is--do you believe the remission of sins is somehow connected to salvation?

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

Once again, they received the Holy Ghost and then were baptized in water.
ie, they receieve the Gift of the Holy Ghost, Salvation, and then were water baptized.

What part of this do you not understand?

The part you did not answer--do you believe the forgiveness of sins is necessary for salvation?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

RealFake, you seem to be missing the point that AFTER the gentiles had received a witness of the Holy Ghost, they were then baptized by water.

Sure. Just like most Christians. But the queston is whether or not baptism contributes for salvation. What say you?