Today I Stand with the Mormons

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Apologette

And both groups can stand for good things - for Life, and for the sanc***y of traditional marriage. Who knows what will happen to this country if Obama is in for four more years! We're already half-way Socialist! And Obamacare will break us financially, especially those (like my husband and myself) who are retired. Together we can stand against this stuff, and put our differences to the side (for a while! )

If you are retired--QE3 might mean your doom. Those on fixed incomes are really going to hurt if we keep printing money to help the economy. With QE1 and 2...we should have seen record inflation. (Although we are seeing inflation in food and gas prices--commodities.) This did not happen because of the fear of Obamacare on taxes and the financial regulations that are choking the banks. The end result is a lot of money being dumped into stocks. When that money finally breaks lose, it will hurt seniors the most.

As a friend of mine said--my small business will not survive 4 more years of Obama. He stated that if he gets reelected, he will be out of business. Small businesses just cannot keep up with the regulations and proposed taxes. It will be a double whammy---those on fixed incomes will suffer and those who are trying to keep up with taxes of a small business will suffer.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Billyray

What do you mean by provided and how did you come up with this is then text?

The Lamb opened the seal and the four beasts said "come look" and showed the white horse.

So, the Lamb opened the seal to the anti-Christ in your reading...right?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

The Lamb opened the seal and the four beasts said "come look" and showed the white horse.

So, the Lamb opened the seal to the anti-Christ in your reading...right?

God allows him to come forward. Is that what you are asking?

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Billyray

God allows him to come forward. Is that what you are asking?

God allowed the white horse to come forward? The Lamb OPENED the seal. How else can you read this other than He did it?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

How else can you read this other than He did it?

God allowed him to come forward at this particular time. Is that what you are asking?

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Billyray

God allowed him to come forward at this particular time. Is that what you are asking?

What? It says He opened the seal. Do you have a problem with that? I don't. It means He began this world and this life and all that goes with it---famine, death, hell---but also life and resurrected and conquering those things. Isn't it a loving God who provided the conquerer first?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

It says He opened the seal.

Correct

Originally Posted by BigJulie

Do you have a problem with that?

No It says he opened the seal.

Originally Posted by BigJulie

It means He began this world and this life and all that goes with it---famine, death, hell---but also life and resurrected and conquering those things. Isn't it a loving God who provided the conquerer first?

I don't follow what you are trying to say here BJ. Rephrase it.

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

If you are retired--QE3 might mean your doom. Those on fixed incomes are really going to hurt if we keep printing money to help the economy. With QE1 and 2...we should have seen record inflation. (Although we are seeing inflation in food and gas prices--commodities.) This did not happen because of the fear of Obamacare on taxes and the financial regulations that are choking the banks. The end result is a lot of money being dumped into stocks. When that money finally breaks lose, it will hurt seniors the most.

As a friend of mine said--my small business will not survive 4 more years of Obama. He stated that if he gets reelected, he will be out of business. Small businesses just cannot keep up with the regulations and proposed taxes. It will be a double whammy---those on fixed incomes will suffer and those who are trying to keep up with taxes of a small business will suffer.

I agree. Also, we both need to stand for the integrity and safety of Israel against her enemies.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Apologette

I agree. Also, we both need to stand for the integrity and safety of Israel against her enemies.

Which always makes me wonder why an American Jew would vote for Obama. He has been scary to say the least with Israel.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Correct

No It says he opened the seal.


I don't follow what you are trying to say here BJ. Rephrase it.

Good---so as far as you read this scripture, you read it to mean that Christ opened the seal that let out the anti-christ. Right?

As far as rephrasing it---really Billyray? Sometimes I think you stay on here with me because you hope to walk away understanding a few more scriptures.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

If you are retired--QE3 might mean your doom.

Why do you say that?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

Good---so as far as you read this scripture, you read it to mean that Christ opened the seal that let out the anti-christ. Right?

He removed what was restraining him until the proper time. Correct.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Why do you say that?

Because with QE1 and QE2, we already have a lot of locked up cash in the system (locked up because companies and banks are not willing to spend it because of the regulations and tax fears.) Hence, a lot of companies have a lot of money they are sitting on.

Ben Bernanke is hinting of QE3--meaning it is not off the table if our economy starts to sink again (which is predicted by many economic forecasters.)

So, add QE3..more cash and then that even increases the amount of M1 out there. When that finally breaks, the result will be record inflation. If you are on a fixed income, inflation is the death of you....meaning your fixed money is worth less and less. It is mean to do to seniors as a way to get out of this huge pile of debt. At some point, in order to get this economy moving, they are going to have to address these choking regulations and taxes. When they do, inflation will hit (they will try hard to reign it in with increasing interest rates if they can---but if global fears stay, then money will continue pouring into the U.S. keeping money cheap---it could spell disaster for those on fixed incomes.)

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Billyray

He removed what was restraining him until the proper time. Correct.

Wait---this was the first horse---and you do note that death and famine and hell are already here, right?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

Wait---this was the first horse---and you do note that death and famine and hell are already here, right?

You are not making a lot of sense today BJ. Can you rephase what you are trying to get at?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

So, add QE3..more cash and then that even increases the amount of M1 out there. When that finally breaks, the result will be record inflation.

And with record inflation anticipated don't you think some of these seniors have taken steps to protect their money and perhaps profit from this inflation?

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Billyray

You are not making a lot of sense today BJ. Can you rephase what you are trying to get at?

I am not getting at anything. You asked me what I thought the white horse was. I said it is good overcoming evil. You said it was the antichrist---I am trying to figure out how you came up with that based on what the scriptures say. Now you are saying, it will come at the proper time---well, that time was past according to revelations...the first seal was the beginning of time--not the end.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Billyray

And with record inflation anticipated don't you think some of these seniors have taken steps to protect their money and perhaps profit with this inflation?

Buying gold as a hedge against inflation? Wealthy seniors can do that---most not. And so many people are doing this that it has made gold out of reach for most.

Then, there is the worry of another recession---so what is a senior to do in the meantime---how do you plan for both? It is hard to do. We could have a recession followed by huge inflation as seen in the roaring 20's.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

Buying gold as a hedge against inflation? Wealthy seniors can do that---most not? And so many people are doing this that it has made gold out of reach for most.

If you anticipate inflation any commodity should increase in value. Gold is probably the best play but people can use silver, platinum, jewels, or even rental property which generates an income with potential upside appreciation when inflation hits. If you expect something to go up then the current price is not too high and those with any sense will utilize these things to protect their money.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Billyray

If you anticipate inflation any commodity should increase in value. Gold is probably the best play but people can use silver, platinum, jewels, or even rental property which generates an income with potential upside appreciation when inflation hits. If you expect something to go up then the current price is not too high and those with any sense will utilize these things to protect their money.

Not all are wealthy enough to do that Billyray. Are you really that callous to seniors? We should be responsible with our wants and our debts for their sakes and our children's sakes.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

Now you are saying, it will come at the proper time---well, that time was past according to revelations...the first seal was the beginning of time--not the end.

Again I have no idea what you are talking about. Don't you believe that there will be an antiChrist that comes on the scene prior to the second coming of Christ?

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

Buying gold as a hedge against inflation? Wealthy seniors can do that---most not. And so many people are doing this that it has made gold out of reach for most.

Then, there is the worry of another recession---so what is a senior to do in the meantime---how do you plan for both? It is hard to do. We could have a recession followed by huge inflation as seen in the roaring 20's.

This is why we're growing our own food here. We can eat squash and chilies!

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Again I have no idea what you are talking about. Don't you believe that there will be an antiChrist that comes on the scene prior to the second coming of Christ?

Yes, but I don't see anywhere that this is the white horse. It does not make sense in my reading of Revelations.

Actually, I think there will be many anti-Christs, but one main one. I think Hitler was an anti-christ. He promised 1000 years of peace and car in every garage and yet brought war and destruction instead.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

Not all are wealthy enough to do that Billyray.

A silver coin today is about $30. How wealthy do you have to be to buy some gold and silver. You can even buy gold and silver ETF's as a hedge.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Apologette

This is why we're growing our own food here. We can eat squash and chilies!

That is a good idea. My suggestion is to get your debts under control, get a food supply, and grow your own. Then regardless of deflation or inflation, you are ready.