Why is it?

[James Banta]

Why is it that whose that call themselves Christian deny that distinction to the LDS? Why is it of late that more and more LDS desire that ***le? I will comment to additions to the thread (If there are any). But I will not add my reasons to the discussion at this time.. IHS jim

[RealFakeHair]

Why is it that whose that call themselves Christian deny that distinction to the LDS? Why is it of late that more and more LDS desire that ***le? I will comment to additions to the thread (If there are any). But I will not add my reasons to the discussion at this time.. IHS jim

I don't understand?

[BigJulie]

I don't understand?

I consider myself a Christian because I believe in and follow Jesus Christ.

What I would agree with is that I do not believe in a triune God---but I don't believe even the Bible backs that one up.

[RealFakeHair]

I consider myself a Christian because I believe in and follow Jesus Christ.

What I would agree with is that I do not believe in a triune God---but I don't believe even the Bible backs that one up.

However, "I do have one thing against you", as Paul would say.
I don't believe the same Holy Spirit that gives us comfort when we read the Holy Bible is the same Holy Spirit that gives a person a burning in the bosom.
Why on earth would the Holy Spirit want to convince a person a book is true when it is a work of fiction?
So off the bat these two religions are headed in different directions.
One can not travel on both roads at the same time when they are traveling in direct opposites.

[Billyray]

I consider myself a Christian because I believe in and follow Jesus Christ.

Would you be OK with a person who doesn't believe in anything that is Mormon call themself Mormon?

[Billyray]

What I would agree with is that I do not believe in a triune God---but I don't believe even the Bible backs that one up.

You don't believe in most of what Christianity teaches.

[James Banta]

I don't understand?

Those of us that call ourselves Christian deny that the mormons are Christian. What is there about them that makes us believe that way.. How is that, better? IHS jim

[James Banta]

I consider myself a Christian because I believe in and follow Jesus Christ.

What I would agree with is that I do not believe in a triune God---but I don't believe even the Bible backs that one up.

Ok, Julie you say that believing in Jesus Christ make a person a Christian.. If I say I believe in Jesus Christ and He is a garden gnome that lives in my back yard am I still a Christian? Is a person a Christian if they cling onto false Christs? Remember Jesus warned us against such..

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

So tell me more about this Person you call Jesus just who is He? He is the mighty God, the everlasting Father? Is he the I AM that spoke to Moses from the burning bush? Is He the Word of God who is Himself God? Is He the God that has been God from everlasting and will continue to be God to everlasting? That is the Jesus I worship, the Jesus in whom is everlasting life to all who believe.. Just who is the Jesus in whom you say you believe.. IHS jim

[RealFakeHair]

Those of us that call ourselves Christian deny that the mormons are Christian. What is there about them that makes us believe that way.. How is that, better? IHS jim

I take the early mormons at their word, they did not wish to me called 'Christian." That was then, and this is now, but the Word of God never Changed. The Jesus of the Holy Bible is the same today as He was 2000 years ago, and will be the same 2000 years from now.
As for the mormon jesus, who knows what the LDS head guy in charge might say about him tomorrow.
I remember the mormon prophet, Gordon, X Hinckley lying to Larry King, about the quote, "As man is god once was, as god is man may become."

To this day I don't understand the excuse TBMs like BigJulie, will give explaining it away.
BigJulie, if you read this, give it your best shot.

[Snow Patrol]

James, I don't think any LDS will say that they want to be called a Trinitarian Christian or even a Mainstream or Orthodox Christian. I actually like the term LDS Christian because I do believe there is a difference in beliefs but that we do use the same source, the Bible, that you use to determine your beliefs about Jesus Christ. We believe the Biblical narrative and stories regarding the Jesus Christ that was born in Bethlehem and walked on water and all those many other wonderful miracles. Now, if you can point to ANOTHER Jesus that did all those things as well, then I'll start calling myself LDS Christian Copy.

[BigJulie]

[QUOTE]

Ok, Julie you say that believing is Jesus Christ.. If I say I believe in Jesus Christ and he is a garden gnome that lives in my back yard am I still a Christian? Is a person a Christian if they cling onto false Christs? Remember Jesus warned us against such..

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Except I dont believe that Christ is a garden gnome...I believe He is the Son of God who came and died for our sins and rose on the third day.

So tell me more about this Person you call Jesus just who is He? He is the mighty God, the everlasting Father? Is he the I AM that spoke to Moses from the burning bush? Is He the Word of God who is Himself God? Is He the God that has been God from everlasting and will continue to be God to everlasting? That is the Jesus I worship, the Jesus in whom is everlasting life to all who believe.. Just who is the Jesus in whom you say you believe.. IHS jim

Yes, He is the great I AM who spoke to Moses and is from everlasting to everlasting. What He isn't is some ventriloquist that speaks to himself.

[Billyray]

James, I don't think any LDS will say that they want to be called a Trinitarian Christian or even a Mainstream or Orthodox Christian. I actually like the term LDS Christian because I do believe there is a difference in beliefs but that we do use the same source, the Bible, that you use to determine your beliefs about Jesus Christ. We believe the Biblical narrative and stories regarding the Jesus Christ that was born in Bethlehem and walked on water and all those many other wonderful miracles. Now, if you can point to ANOTHER Jesus that did all those things as well, then I'll start calling myself LDS Christian Copy.

But your views are inconsistent with what the Bible teaches.

[Snow Patrol]

But your views are inconsistent with what the Bible teaches.

In your opinion. Not from mine.

[Billyray]

In your opinion. Not from mine.

It is not opinion but fact that your views are inconsistent with what the Bible teaches.

[Libby]

I don't understand?

That's a part of the problem. Many of the questions and "arguments" against LDS are incoherent.

[Libby]

It is not opinion but fact that your views are inconsistent with what the Bible teaches.

Definitely an opinion, Billy. The Bible is obscure enough to uphold many sets of beliefs. Even within mainstream Christianity, there are differences in opinion, about what the Bible actually says.

[James Banta]

James, I don't think any LDS will say that they want to be called a Trinitarian Christian or even a Mainstream or Orthodox Christian. I actually like the term LDS Christian because I do believe there is a difference in beliefs but that we do use the same source, the Bible, that you use to determine your beliefs about Jesus Christ. We believe the Biblical narrative and stories regarding the Jesus Christ that was born in Bethlehem and walked on water and all those many other wonderful miracles. Now, if you can point to ANOTHER Jesus that did all those things as well, then I'll start calling myself LDS Christian Copy.

Thank you for explaining what you are not and what you don't believe Jesus to be.. Now try telling me what you are, and what you believe Jesus to be. I am pleased to see that you believe Jesus was born into this world at the place the Bible said he would come from. That He really did accomplish the miracles the Bible said He worked. I want to know is the Jesus of Mormonism GOD? As I asked before do you believe what the Bible teaches about God being eternal? Is He the God who has been God from everlasting and the God who will continue to be God to everlasting?

You have already denied that you believe that God (What ever you believer God to be) is NOT the only God but there are at least three for this world. Isn't that calling God a liar when He told the Prophet that there is no God beside Him, that He doesn't even know of any other God in existence.. That would be a real God not an idol invented by men..

I have already quoted Jesus in saying that there would come many false Christs, do you deny the warnings of Jesus? So your contention that I can't point to any false Christs is a dodge.. There was Jim Jones, There was David Koresh.. Both those men taught that they were the Messiah the Christ.. They were liars, and their fruits proved that.

I am not looking at miracles as proof that the person held as the Christ is the correct person of the Son.. Anyone can ascribe those miracles to any figure they put forth as the Christ.. Some see Jesus as a mere messenger of God as the Bahá'í do, yet they do believe in all the miracles ascribe to Him. Here is a short list of men that claimed to be the Christ:

John Nichols Thom (1799–1838), Cornish tax rebel who claimed to be the "saviour of the world" and the reincarnation of Jesus Christ

William W. Davies (1833–1906), leader of a Latter Day Saint schismatic group called the Kingdom of Heaven located in Walla Walla, Washington from 1867 to 1881. He taught his followers that he was the archangel Michael, who had previously lived as the biblical Adam, Abraham, and David. When his son Arthur was born on 11 February 1868, Davies declared that the infant was the reincarnated Jesus Christ.

Sun Myung Moon (1920–), believed by members of the Unification Church to be the Messiah and the Second Coming of Christ, fulfilling Jesus' unfinished mission.

Wayne Bent (1941–), also known as Michael Travesser of the Lord Our Righteousness Church. He claims; "I am the embodiment of God. I am divinity and humanity combined."

These men actually get people to believe in them.. Are they the reincarnation of Jesus, or even a Christ of God?? NO!! They are ALL false Christs.. Is it such a reach that someone would INVENT a different Jesus if some men would claim to be Him? I don't see that as a problem.. To be sure we are not following a lie we must look to God's word and compare the Jesus taught by the men that say they have a "New truth" with what the Bible has taught about him all along.. If there is a difference then the Christ held to be the "New Truth" must be rejected and the Christ revealed in the Bible taken to be the "REAL TRUTH".. Mormonism fails to align with the Bible.. It makes Jesus out to be a creation rather than the creator. It holds a time when Jesus was an infant spirit child of the Father and not yet a God.. Teaching that He had to become a God through obedience to the Father's will and design for the world and mankind.. Show how this conforms to the Bible that says Jesus is God and has been God from everlasting..

Yes mormonism has ascribe all the works that can be found in the Bible concerning the mortal ministry of Jesus the Christ all the while denying His eternal Godhood. This is a different Jesus and therefore those that believe in this Jesus are Christians just like the followers of any of the men I have spoken of in this post.. IHS jim

[James Banta]

[QUOTE][BigJulie;132627]

Except I dont believe that Christ is a garden gnome...I believe He is the Son of God who came and died for our sins and rose on the third day.

I am not saying you do.. I am saying that changing the attributes of God from what Is said about Him in the Bible to what a man teaches about His is the same thing.. Why can't a real believer in the garden gnome Jesus ascribe to him all the attributes you believe about the LDS Jesus.. Is the LDS Jesus the same God revealed in the Bible? Was the spirit infant born to the Father, the infant that would mature into the preexistant spirit of Jesus always God? OR Did he become a God through obedience to the command and will of the Father?

Yes, He is the great I AM who spoke to Moses and is from everlasting to everlasting. What He isn't is some ventriloquist that speaks to himself.

Oh yes the common comeback given by those that DON'T PUT FORTH THE EFFORT to understand the Trinity.. All it says is that God is one Being manifested to mankind as the Father Son, and Holy Spirit.. Each an individual who is fully God and yet together are the one true God. This is the ONLY doctrine that allows three separate Persons and yet conforms to the scriptures that demands that the Lord God is one Lord.. Mormonism fails on that important doctrine of the nature of God..

And I know you believe that Jesus is from everlasting to everlasting but not as God.. The verse says that He has been GOD from everlasting to everlasting.. To say that your Jesus conforms to this because you believe that He has always existed in some form does not fulfill the revelation of His person given to us in Psalm 90:2.. IHS jim

Common LDS Tactic.. When the point is lost never admit it, just ignore the truth hoping that it goes away.. Whether we remain here ringing this bell or not the truth about who and what God is remains and it will be the undoing of all that accept this terrible mormon idolatry.. IHS jim

[James Banta]

That's a part of the problem. Many of the questions and "arguments" against LDS are incoherent.

So you couldn't understand it either? Not even when I seriously simplified it? IHS jim

[Billyray]

We believe being born again of the Holy Spirit is necessary. Any argument with that?

We can look at your beliefs from A-Z and see that they are different than what is taught in the Bible.

[Billyray]

Many of the questions and "arguments" against LDS are incoherent.

Really? Of course you know that is not true. Don't you?

[James Banta]

In your opinion. Not from mine.

Really? In your opinion was Jesus always a God? Was He a God when he was first born spiritually in Heaven and started to grow into a mature spiritual existence before taking on His flesh? Wouldn't that mean that there was a time when He became a God? That invalidates the Bible that teaches he has been God from everlasting to everlasting! IHS jim

[James Banta]

Really? Of course you know that is not true. Don't you?

And if read the original statement I used to begin this thread make perfect sense when their intelligence is applied to it.. IHS jim

[Libby]

So you couldn't understand it either? Not even when I seriously simplified it? IHS jim

I see that you are trying to argue that LDS are not Christians. Same old, same old.

[Libby]

Really? Of course you know that is not true. Don't you?

Really? Of course, you know that I know it is true.