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    alanmolstad
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    Let me know if you have a question about any answer I have posted for you to read???


    I tried to get to every question you asked of me, and I hope I have not overlooked any of your posted comments to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    The "creator" is a term that talks about who "made" things...

    The "Father" is a term that talks about the relationship somone has with another.
    And, in this case--the two is combined--as God the Father is both the creator and Father of the spirits--as earthly fathers are the creator and father of our flesh:

    Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits,and live?

    IOW--fathering is a creative act. Offspring are always of the same species as their Father:

    Acts 17:29---King James Version (KJV)
    29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

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    "This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God's child"




    as quoted from the Bible at 1st John 3:10




    and as supports my teaching here that the use of the term "father" is based only on the relationship the person has with the other person.

    calling a person "father" does not mean they were the "creator"

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    so when the Bible tells us that some people are children of the Devil , does this mean they were created by the devil?.....NO!



    When the Bible tells us that some people have the Devil as their "Father" does this mean they were created by the devil?....No!!!




    what we see therefore now clearly is that God can be the Father , and God can be the creator, but God is the creator of the heavens and the earth, while he is the Father of only they who that share that type of father/son relationship with him...




    thats why Satan is also called the Father

    Thats why some people are called the children of the Devil....etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    "This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God's child"

    as quoted from the Bible at 1st John 3:10

    and as supports my teaching here that the use of the term "father" is based only on the relationship the person has with the other person.

    calling a person "father" does not mean they were the "creator"
    It does if they were the originator of the offspring:

    Acts 17:29---King James Version (KJV)
    29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

    Alan--your quote above is in reference to the adoption--long after the spirit and body are originated by a F(f)ather. We make choices during our time of accountability which determines who we are adopted to--and they become our father--in adoption, not the originator.

    IOW--the spirit and the body have been present a long time before we make choices, and either become the child of the devil--or God the Son. That does not in any way account for the origins of the physical body or the spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
    It does if they were the originator of the offspring:

    Acts 17:29---King James Version (KJV)
    29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

    Alan--your quote above is in reference to the adoption--long after the spirit and body are originated by a F(f)ather. We make choices during our time of accountability which determines who we are adopted to--and they become our father--in adoption, not the originator.

    IOW--the spirit and the body have been present a long time before we make choices, and either become the child of the devil--or God the Son. That does not in any way account for the origins of the physical body or the spirit.
    we learn in the Bible that God is the creator of all things....

    This comes out clearly in Genesis, where it says - "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"



    So God is clearly the creator of all things.
    Both the things seen and unseen.



    But God is only the "Father" to they that he has this same type of Father/son relationship with.





    To be called a "creator" is because you made something.


    This is why the evil men are said to be the children of the devil.
    They are not said to be created by the devil.
    The devil did not make them...


    The devil is not the creator.


    But the devil is their father.

    They are his children.



    So you can be a child of the devil without needing to be created by the devil.


    This is what the Bible teaches about the term "creator" and "Father"


    any questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    we learn in the Bible that God is the creator of all things....
    Fathering is a creational act--whether it be the physical or the spiritual:

    Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits,and live?

    IOW--fathering is a creative act. Offspring are always of the same species as their Father:

    Acts 17:29---King James Version (KJV)

    29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

    But God is only the "Father" to they that he has this same type of Father/son relationship with.
    The scriptures testify God the Father is the Father of all spirits:

    Ephesians 4:4-6---King James Version (KJV)
    4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
    5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    The devil is not the creator. But the devil is their father. They are his children.
    That is long after the fact they had a previous F(f)ather in the flesh--and the spirit:

    Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits,and live?

    Again, Alan--they BECOME the children of satan because of their choices--which is years after the spirit and the flesh is F(f)athered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
    Fathering is a creational act-.......

    Is that term found in the Bible or did you just make it up?

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    so to sum up for our newer members....

    The term "Father" is only talking about the relationship a person has with another.
    This is why the Bible calls both God and Satan as being the "Father" of some people.

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