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    yes, just read in 1 Corinthians 8:6 "and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ"

    "One Lord"


    not 2 Lords....

    The Bible says one and so you got to ask yourself, "Do I believe the Bible at that verse or not?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    yes, just read in 1 Corinthians 8:6 "and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ"

    "One Lord"


    not 2 Lords....

    The Bible says one and so you got to ask yourself, "Do I believe the Bible at that verse or not?"
    And 1 Cor8:6 explains there is but "one God" :


    1 Corinthians 8:6---King James Version (KJV)


    6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

    Does that mean that God the Father is the only God--seeing that Jesus Christ is not included in that designation of "one God"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
    Does that mean that God the Father is the only God--seeing that Jesus Christ is not included in that designation of "one God"?
    There is only a single God as defined by many Biblical verses. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
    John 1:3---King James Version (KJV)

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
    What wasn't made by Jesus?

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    "There is one body, .....The Body is the Church.
    and one Spirit, the Spirit here is found only within the church.

    even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;...The calling is only found from the church

    5 One Lord, This is the Lord found in the church's teachings


    one faith, The christian faith.

    one baptism,.....of the christian believer

    6 One God .....For the believer, although for the non-believer there are many false gods.

    and Father The God is father for the believer as we are his children.
    There are other fathers as we see in the Text for the nonbelievers were said to have as their father "The devil"


    of all, [/B]who is above all, and through all, and in you all."...the "all" is the church of believers.





    So what this means is that Satan and the demons have God as their "creator", for the term "Creator" describes the work God did....God "created' all things.

    But Satan and the demons do not have God as their own "father" for that term is describing the loving relationship that the believers have with the lord.
    He is our "Father" and that makes us his "children"....for children do the work of their father. and have a loving relationship of father and child.

    Satan and the demons have no such a relationship with god.
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    One God and Father of all

    Ephesians4:4-6--"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
    5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."


    What is meant by "all" here in Ephesians when Paul refers to the "one God and Father of all"?

    Bump for anyone

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    "all" = me

    When we believe the Lord comes into our hearts and lives in us....
    Therefore the "all" talked about in the verse is being defined as the "church" of the "body of Christ".....for that is they who are said to be the 'body" of Christ in the world, we are the "light" of the world....we are the hands and feet of God in the world as we bring the light to they who stumble in darkness....

    So in a very real way I feel blessed enough to answer that the "all" talked about in the verse is...."me"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
    One God and Father of all

    Ephesians4:4-6--"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
    5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

    What is meant by "all" here in Ephesians when Paul refers to the "one God and Father of all"?
    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    "all" = me
    What is your evidence the "all" is limited to just you?

    Therefore the "all" talked about in the verse is being defined as the "church" of the "body of Christ".
    No doubt it included that--but what is your evidence it is limited to just the church? What is your evidence that God the Father is not the Father of all spirits?

    Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

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    Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post One God and Father of all

    Ephesians4:4-6--"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
    5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

    What is meant by "all" here in Ephesians when Paul refers to the "one God and Father of all"?
    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post"all" = me
    What is your evidence the "all" is limited to just you?

    Therefore the "all" talked about in the verse is being defined as the "church" of the "body of Christ".
    No doubt it included that--but what is your evidence it is limited to just the church? What is your evidence that God the Father is not the Father of all spirits?

    Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

    Anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
    What is your evidence the "all" is limited to just you?



    No doubt it included that--but what is your evidence it is limited to just the church? What is your evidence that God the Father is not the Father of all spirits?

    Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

    Anyone?
    Nonsense.

    Uninformed Mormon doublespeak.

    In the first place, you're obviously attempting to use (according to Mormon teaching), a corrupt and unreliable source for your "proof text;" The Bible, to prove a false doctrine. Which is laughable.

    Under those conditions, you are surely destined to fail. And especially since some of us actually know what the Bible teaches and are here to correct you, with all diligence, patience and long-suffering. 2 Tim 4:

    I only need two Bible verses to prove the Mormon doctrine of eternal progression wrong.

    Zechariah 12:1
    The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel. Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him,

    Genesis 2:7
    Yahweh God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    And I only need one Mormon verse, to also prove you wrong.

    Mosiah 5:7 And now, because of the covenant which ye have made ye shall be called the children of Christ, his sons, and his daughters; for behold, this day he hath spiritually begotten you; for ye say that your hearts are changed through faith on his name; therefore, ye are born of him and have become his sons and his daughters.

    When your own "scriptures" (and I use that term loosely) prove you wrong, that's bad.

    I can understand why you don't believe the Bible, since it has been deemed a work of Satan by your "prophets." (and I use that term loosely).

    Why don't you believe your own "scriptures?" (and I use that term loosely)

    Obviously you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

    Next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Banta View Post
    Do you deny that God is the the Father of all? Do you deny that Jesus is called the Mighty God the Everlasting Father? Why can't the same thing be said of Him at all time is all meaning? You are again taking the word out of context of the complete Biblical text.. Do you also deny the context that Jesus is God? That He created ALL thing both visible and invisible? What is there about the Bible you will not deny in your false doctrines? IHS jim
    I have pointed out to berry that text out of context is pretext, but he insists on posting pretext anyway. Some people NEVER learn ANYTHING.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian View Post
    I have pointed out to berry that text out of context is pretext, but he insists on posting pretext anyway. Some people NEVER learn ANYTHING.
    I think it's more a matter of bully pride than anything. There's no way DBerrie does not understand faith alone doctrine, or that the Bible clearly teaches that salvation is NOT by works. The best way to make a Mormon troll disappear is to quote contradicting Mormon "scriptures" (and I use that term loosely) and ask them to explain the contradiction. But notice they will never do that, because they simply can't. Instead DBerrie attempts to turn the tables on us, but he has to confound the truth to do that.

    Everything about Mormonism is a lie and DBerrie is probably tired of being made a complete fool of trying to defend those lies. So he lashes out in hatred and anger with dishonest and false arguments. And by doing so, in his mind he thinks he has won. Even though everyone else knows better. Does anyone remember Bert from the 80's sit-com, SOAP? When Bert was confronted with something he was embarrassed for, he would wave his hands and snap his fingers and then assume that he would become invisible and no one could see him. Mormons as much as do that same thing when confronted with the truth about their religion. They disappear.

    DBerrie is only good at taking Scriptures out of context and setting up straw men arguments that present fake inconsistencies designed to cause the Bible to line up with false Mormon doctrines, but that's only because he doesn't have a clue how to explain away the very real problems with his own false religion, so he ignores them. That's why DBerrie never tries to defend Mormonism when we point out all of the glaring inconsistencies with his false religion. Instead he attempts to focus the attention away from that reality, to his intentionally dishonest doctrinal arguments against the truth of the Bible. We don't have to go out of our way to contrive anything to prove Mormonism is a false religion, all we need is facts, but DBerrie must spin falsehoods and lies in an attempt to prove his false arguments.

    Bullies are just cowards in reality. DBerrie is probably some mush-brained teenager living in his mothers basement. If not, then he sure has us fooled.

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    Do you NOT believe Jesus is GOD?

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    Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post What is your evidence the "all" is limited to just you?

    No doubt it included that--but what is your evidence it is limited to just the church? What is your evidence that God the Father is not the Father of all spirits?

    Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

    Anyone?
    Quote Originally Posted by Berean View Post
    In the first place, you're obviously attempting to use (according to Mormon teaching), a corrupt and unreliable source for your "proof text;" The Bible, to prove a false doctrine. Which is laughable.
    The LDS do not believe the Biblical text is "laughable".

    Again--what is your evidence God the Father is not the Father of all spirits which is placed in mankind?


    Under those conditions, you are surely destined to fail. And especially since some of us actually know what the Bible teaches and are here to correct you, with all diligence, patience and long-suffering. 2 Tim 4:

    I only need two Bible verses to prove the Mormon doctrine of eternal progression wrong.

    Zechariah 12:1
    The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel. Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him,

    Genesis 2:7
    Yahweh God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
    Please do explain how either of those verses somehow negate the fact the scriptures testify God the Father is the Father of spirits?

    And I only need one Mormon verse, to also prove you wrong.

    Mosiah 5:7 And now, because of the covenant which ye have made ye shall be called the children of Christ, his sons, and his daughters; for behold, this day he hath spiritually begotten you; for ye say that your hearts are changed through faith on his name; therefore, ye are born of him and have become his sons and his daughters.
    That is a reference to the adoption--which occurs for those who have faith in Christ---years after the spirit is already present in the body.

    It does nothing to account for the origins of the spirit. There are many who will never have the adoption--because of unbelief--but they still have a spirit within their body--which the scriptures testify is Fathered by God the Father:

    Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits,

    And which are the offspring of God:

    Acts 17:29---King James Version (KJV)
    29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post


    What is meant by "all" here in Ephesians when Paul refers to the "one God and Father of all"?
    In any question about a word found in the Bible, you have to always look at the word in it's correct context.

    When dealing with the term "Father" we are looking at people that are in a father/child relationship with their Lord.

    Now we know for a fact that God is not the father of all, for Jesus tells the evil men that were against him that they were doing the will of their father the Devil...

    So while the text may say that God is the Father of all, we know this is to be understood within the context of "all believers" and not all people as God is not the Father of the unbelievers.
    From the Forum RULES : "As you know, the Walter Martin website takes the position that Mormon theology is not Christian theology. Use of the term "LDS Christian" is inaccurate and misleading, and as such is not acceptable on this board."

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    In any question about a word found in the Bible, you have to always look at the word in it's correct context.

    When dealing with the term "Father" we are looking at people that are in a father/child relationship with their Lord.

    Now we know for a fact that God is not the father of all, for Jesus tells the evil men that were against him that they were doing the will of their father the Devil...

    So while the text may say that God is the Father of all, we know this is to be understood within the context of "all believers" and not all people as God is not the Father of the unbelievers.
    I like getting the last word...
    From the Forum RULES : "As you know, the Walter Martin website takes the position that Mormon theology is not Christian theology. Use of the term "LDS Christian" is inaccurate and misleading, and as such is not acceptable on this board."

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    In any question about a word found in the Bible, you have to always look at the word in it's correct context.

    When dealing with the term "Father" we are looking at people that are in a father/child relationship with their Lord.

    Now we know for a fact that God is not the father of all,
    Could you tell us what God is the Father of the remainder of spirits--if He is not the Father of all spirits?

    Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits,and live?

    Ephesians4:4-6:
    "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
    5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

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    again, God is the father to all they that he has a relationship with...
    This is why even if Gid is the creator of all men, and that all men have a spirit or a soul, yet God is not the father of all men because Jesus said that some men have Satan as their Father....


    So Gid is the Father to all that he has a relationship as their father with, and he is not the father of they that he has no relationship with...

    Satan is not the creator of men, but he is the father of some men...

    This is also the case when the Bible talks about a place prepared for "the devil and his angels>,,,

    So while we know that the Devil did not create any spirits, yet it is clear some angels are "his"
    From the Forum RULES : "As you know, the Walter Martin website takes the position that Mormon theology is not Christian theology. Use of the term "LDS Christian" is inaccurate and misleading, and as such is not acceptable on this board."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
    Could you tell us what God is the Father of the remainder of spirits--if He is not the Father of all spirits?

    Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits,and live?

    Ephesians4:4-6:
    "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
    5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."


    The "all" is clairfied for us as talking about the people that believe, and have the love of God in their hearts...


    And as the Bible does say that this is not true with all men, it thus shows us that while the Lord is the creator of all men, he is yet the father to all they that have the love of God in their hearts.....and not all do.....and the Lord is not their father at all, because the Bible tells us clearly that the Devil is the Father of some men.........
    From the Forum RULES : "As you know, the Walter Martin website takes the position that Mormon theology is not Christian theology. Use of the term "LDS Christian" is inaccurate and misleading, and as such is not acceptable on this board."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
    Could you tell us what God is the Father of the remainder of spirits--if He is not the Father of all spirits?
    see John 8:44......

    Who is their "father"?
    From the Forum RULES : "As you know, the Walter Martin website takes the position that Mormon theology is not Christian theology. Use of the term "LDS Christian" is inaccurate and misleading, and as such is not acceptable on this board."

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    so as we see and as I have shown- the Bible talks about the fact that some people are called the child of God, while other people are called the children of the Devil.

    This is at the very heart of the Bible's use of the term "Father" for it is speaking to us about "Relationships"

    People that are called the children of God , are said to have God as their "Father"
    Yet, the people that are called the children of the Devil are said to have satan as their "Father"



    So both God and Satan are called different people's "Father" in the Bible.

    This is all because the people have a relationship that brings God or Satan into a "Father-Son" relationship with them.
    From the Forum RULES : "As you know, the Walter Martin website takes the position that Mormon theology is not Christian theology. Use of the term "LDS Christian" is inaccurate and misleading, and as such is not acceptable on this board."

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