"Heaven"

[Pa Pa]

Originally Posted by Billyray

You know better. DB knows better. PaPa knows better.

What are you talking about?

[Pa Pa]

Originally Posted by James Banta

Answered in one word... JESUS.. IHS jim

So just you and Jesus...I ***ume you know what he looks like. Well if it is just the two of you I guess it would be easy. How angry will you be when you see Mormons there?

[Pa Pa]

Originally Posted by James Banta

If it doesn't conform to what the bible says I don't believe it.. You on the other hand will believe anything that you feel is right.. What is it that you doubt about the order of creation when God has told us through the Prophet that God created our spirits within us? What us was there to create it in if it wasn't our natural bodies formed in our mothers's wombs.. This is a p***age I have used many times you should know it as well as I, it's in Zech 12:1... IHS jim

What does heaven look like in the Bible, Jim? please tell me...

[Pa Pa]

Originally Posted by TheSword99

I have also heard and read the story of Bill Wiese who has a book ***led: "23 Minutes in Hell." He had an out of body experience I guess it's called and God showed him the horrors of hell. His book is a warning to those who think hell is just a myth or not a literal place, that it is very real just as the Holy Bible indicates.

I saw this...do they have clocks in hell?

[Pa Pa]

Originally Posted by ActRaiser

That's my point.

Song of Solomon...Christian porn.

[ActRaiser]

Originally Posted by Pa Pa

Song of Solomon...Christian porn.

Not porn. It's God's "You can do this". Manual. If it's between husband and wife, go ahead and do it.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Pa Pa

What are you talking about?

You guys know it is wrong to sin yet you do it anyway. Would it be unfair for God to punish you for your sins (***uming you remain worshipping your false gods)?

[Pa Pa]

Originally Posted by ActRaiser

Not porn. It's God's "You can do this". Manual. If it's between husband and wife, go ahead and do it.

One of Solomon's 400 wives...so much for polygamy problems.

[Pa Pa]

Originally Posted by Billyray

You guys know it is wrong to sin yet you do it anyway. Would it be unfair for God to punish you for your sins (***uming you remain worshipping your false gods)?

And your judging of others...he is pleased with this?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Pa Pa

And your judging of others...he is pleased with this?

I am asking you a question.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

You guys know it is wrong to sin yet you do it anyway. Would it be unfair for God to punish you for your sins (***uming you remain worshipping your false gods)?

Again, this is simply your opinion, Billy, not fact.

[ActRaiser]

Originally Posted by Pa Pa

One of Solomon's 400 wives...so much for polygamy problems.

There was a time when Solomon was monogamous, and a time when he wasn't.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by ActRaiser

The word of God only sounds like insults to those who refuse to listen to it. If you feel bad about what God has to say to you, just react accordingly and repent. That's the only way you can see what God really has to say. God is a gentleman, he never insults anyone, without proper reason. In fact when God says "No one is righteous no not one". That's not an insult, it's a warning. God loved the whole world so much that he gave his only begotten Son so that whosoever believeth in Him should not die, but receive ever lasting life, but read on, the same p***age goes on to point out that whosoever does not believe in him is condemned already.

That's not God coming up to you in the street and dissin' you with some kind of a King James Busta Rhyme or calling your mother names, it's a warning. Warnings can sometimes feel like insults, but God's warnings always come from love.

It would have been wise of you to ask which parts "insult my soul". I am not insulted by being called a sinner. I am a sinner. I also believe that God gave his Son as our Savior and Teacher and that we can find our way back to the Father, through His Son. None of those things "insult my soul".

What insults my soul is the very idea that a loving God would order any of his children to murder one another. When Cain slew Able, there was a big penalty to pay. God does not command us to kill....as a matter of fact, "thou shalt not kill" is one of the 10 Commandments.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Again, this is simply your opinion, Billy, not fact.

You guys know it is wrong to sin yet you do it anyway. Would it be unfair for God to punish you for your sins. . .

This is not my opinion it was a question.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

No we don't all worship false gods, but and the Mormons certainly do.

We are given information about the God of the Bible yet you and Mormons reject what has been given to us. This is not an interpretation issue that I am speaking about but rather a flat out rejection of what is said.

I know, at least, one Evangelical Minister who would disagree with you. He gave a sermon on how we all worship false gods, whenever we put anything else over and above our relationship with God, which most of us do on a daily basis. That includes family....money, things, careers, on and on.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

You guys know it is wrong to sin yet you do it anyway. Would it be unfair for God to punish you for your sins. . .

This is not my opinion it was a question.

Billy, you keep moving the goal posts, as you are very prone to do.

Yes, we ALL sin, even knowingly, sometimes. Hopefully, most of us regret that and repent.

BUT, your particular accusation that I (we) "knowingly" worship false gods, is just plain wrong.

Now, please stick to one theme and stop going back and forth, changing the whole context of the conversation.

[Pa Pa]

Originally Posted by Billyray

I am asking you a question.

As am I concerning the double standard.

[ActRaiser]

What insults my soul is the very idea that a loving God would order any of his children to murder one another. When Cain slew Able, there was a big penalty to pay. God does not command us to kill....as a matter of fact, "thou shalt not kill" is one of the 10 Commandments.

That's true. And yet, there have been many millions of Christians who believe every bit of the Bible despite that. That doesn't mean that you need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Some things in the scriptures don't make sense until you are true believer, and even then, some things won't make sense until you study the scriptures thoroughly enough.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Billy, you keep moving the goal posts, as you are very prone to do.

No I haven't changed the goal posts. Here is our running dialogue below

Originally Posted by Billyray

So do you think God will forgive mormons who worship false gods especially those who know better such as yourself?

Originally Posted by Libby

Why would a loving God hold someone responsible for doing something they didn't know was wrong, Billy? Especially, when they are trying their best to do what they believe is RIGHT...?

Originally Posted by Billyray

Because they are sinners. Isn't it just to hold sinners responsible for what they have done?

If a person committed a crime wouldn't it be just to hold that person responsible for the crime that he committed?

Originally Posted by Libby

Not if that person doesn't know any better,

Originally Posted by Billyray

You know better. DB knows better. PaPa knows better.

Originally Posted by Libby

Do you honestly believe that we think your religious beliefs are more correct, but we are purposefully dismissing them, regardless? Why in the world would we do that?
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Each one of us has a basic understanding of right and wrong and yet each of us still chooses wrong. Because of our sin we deserve punishment and it is fair to punish to who do wrong just like I said in a prior post. You know what is right and wrong and yet you persist in doing wrong. Is God unfair to punish you for this (***uming that you do not come to him in faith)?

[Pa Pa]

Originally Posted by ActRaiser

There was a time when Solomon was monogamous, and a time when he wasn't.

Do you know his sin was marrying wives who worshiped other gods...God or Prophets has no trouble with polygamy, just some of his wives and the gods they worshiped?

[ActRaiser]

Originally Posted by Pa Pa

Do you know his sin was marrying wives who worshiped other gods...God or Prophets has no trouble with polygamy, just some of his wives and the gods they worshiped?

Did you know at one time it was okay for the first Humans to have sex with eachother when they were still family members? It's morally wrong to do so today.

This does not mean that since people have done it before that it's okay. I may have slipped just a tad when I mentioned Solomon being monogamous before, but you also have to remember that his acts of sexuality in the Song of Solomon was with ONE WIFE.

[Pa Pa]

Originally Posted by ActRaiser

Did you know at one time it was okay for the first Humans to have sex with eachother when they were still family members? It's morally wrong to do so today.

This does not mean that since people have done it before that it's okay. I may have slipped just a tad when I mentioned Solomon being monogamous before, but you also have to remember that his acts of sexuality in the Song of Solomon was with ONE WIFE.

Comparing the two...and well in the hell you got this is a good comparrsion?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Pa Pa

Do you know his sin was marrying wives who worshiped other gods...God or Prophets has no trouble with polygamy, just some of his wives and the gods they worshiped?

Gen 2:24*That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

Deut 17
14*When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you and have taken possession of it and settled in it, and you say, “Let us set a king over us like all the nations around us,” 15*be sure to appoint over you a king the Lord your God chooses. . . 17*He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray

[ActRaiser]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Gen 2:24*That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

Deut 17
14*When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you and have taken possession of it and settled in it, and you say, “Let us set a king over us like all the nations around us,” 15*be sure to appoint over you a king the Lord your God chooses. . . 17*He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray

Oh thanks BillyRay, I forgot this part.

[Pa Pa]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Gen 2:24*That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

Deut 17
14*When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you and have taken possession of it and settled in it, and you say, “Let us set a king over us like all the nations around us,” 15*be sure to appoint over you a king the Lord your God chooses. . . 17*He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray

Cherry picking did not make you point...God has changed the rules for many groups. There were other people in the land of Nod, where wives were found. Please bring your "A" game with me.