Did Jesus Sin?

[TheSword99]

In another thread it has been insinuated that Jesus Christ was a sinner. Is this what Mormonism teaches?

[theway]

Originally Posted by TheSword99

In another thread it has been insinuated that Jesus Christ was a sinner. Is this what Mormonism teaches?

LOL... You still don't get it. I was laughing at YOU and how completely ridiculous your accusation was.

Perhaps if you actually reposted my post that you misinterpreted to mean I was saying Jesus sinned.
That way we can all have a good laugh.

[glm1978]

Originally Posted by theway

LOL... You still don't get it. I was laughing at YOU and how completely ridiculous your accusation was.

Perhaps if you actually reposted my post that you misinterpreted to mean I was saying Jesus sinned.
That way we can all have a good laugh.

Bruce McConkie:

The man who became the Father was not eternal God. Since he died, he needed to be "resurrected". And once being a sinner, he needed "salvation". That is the theology system of Mormonism.


Guess the last laugh is on you...lol

[theway]

Originally Posted by glm1978

Bruce McConkie:

The man who became the Father was not eternal God. Since he died, he needed to be "resurrected". And once being a sinner, he needed "salvation". That is the theology system of Mormonism.


Guess the last laugh is on you...lol

That's not my post to which your OP is alluding to.
Post the one where I said Jesus was not perfect.

[glm1978]

Originally Posted by theway

That's not my post to which your OP is alluding to.
Post the one where I said Jesus was not perfect.

"He needed baptism to become perfected, but it's also my belief that He needed baptism to be perfect also. Jesus did not pick and chose which of the the Father's commandments He wanted to follow, the way you do."

The above is your post. I don't see anything about Christ being perfect in the above. Seems you keep dodging the simple question Billy has been asking you. Was Jesus perfect before his baptism?

Are you denying that your church teaches God sinned before he became God.

[theway]

Originally Posted by glm1978

"He needed baptism to become perfected, but it's also my belief that He needed baptism to be perfect also. Jesus did not pick and chose which of the the Father's commandments He wanted to follow, the way you do."

The above is your post. I don't see anything about Christ being perfect in the above. Seems you keep dodging the simple question Billy has been asking you. Was Jesus perfect before his baptism?

It's very simple... Christ needed to fulfill every jot and ***tle in order for Him to be [complete] perfected

Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth p*** away, one jot or one ***tle shall in no wise p*** from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Had Christ of missed just one prophesy or work of His Father in Heaven, or if Christ left one act of righteousness unfulfilled that would make someone a liar and Jesus not perfect. Christ's mission was not fulfilled and hence He could not be perfected[perfect in all things] until after His resurrection.

Originally Posted by glm1978

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Are you denying that your church teaches God sinned before he became God.

Of course I'm denying that, that's just silly.

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by theway

It's very simple... Christ needed to fulfill every jot and ***tle in order for Him to be [complete] perfected

Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth p*** away, one jot or one ***tle shall in no wise p*** from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Had Christ of missed just one prophesy or work of His Father in Heaven, or if Christ left one act of righteousness unfulfilled that would make someone a liar and Jesus not perfect. Christ's mission was not fulfilled and hence He could not be perfected[perfect in all things] until after His resurrection.
Of course I'm denying that, that's just silly.

GARBAGE! Jesus did all He did because He is perfect not that He had to become prefect.Jesus is God there was no way He could be anything but what He is Perfect.. Just like we can't be anything but what we are SINNERS.. IHS jim

[theway]

Originally Posted by James Banta

GARBAGE! Jesus did all He did because He is perfect not that He had to become prefect.Jesus is God there was no way He could be anything but what He is Perfect.. Just like we can't be anything but what we are SINNERS.. IHS jim

There you go again James changing words. I said He had to become perfected by remaining perfect.

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by theway

There you go again James changing words. I said He had to become perfected by remaining perfect.

Sorry, but that doesn't make sense.

[glm1978]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

Sorry, but that doesn't make sense.

That's the confusing world of Mormonism. They will say that Jesus needed to be baptized in order to be perfect. Then they say he was always perfect.

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by glm1978

That's the confusing world of Mormonism. They will say that Jesus needed to be baptized in order to be perfect. Then they say he was always perfect.

I ask her every day, " what more you want of a perfect husband?"
Before I give her a chance to answer I pick up my golf clubs and head out the door.

[Libby]

It's not really that confusing.

All "the way" is trying to say is that, if Jesus really did come here to "fulfill the law", there was a process to that. He may have been perfect, but his mission was not complete (perfection was not displayed) until he fulfilled that mission perfectly.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

It's not really that confusing.

All "the way" is trying to say is that, if Jesus really did come here to "fulfill the law", there was a process to that. He may have been perfect, but his mission was not complete (perfection was not displayed) until he fulfilled that mission perfectly.

So you are saying that Jesus was perfect prior to his baptism which of course is what every Christian has said thus far?

[Libby]

I believe Jesus was always perfect, yes. Perfectly God.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

I believe Jesus was always perfect, yes. Perfectly God.

So you seem to disagree with theway then, right?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

So you seem to disagree with theway then, right?

I don't think so. I think you guys are misunderstanding what "the way" is saying.

I don't think he is saying Jesus ever sinned. He is simply saying that his "perfecting" was a process. A process which he completed "perfectly".

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

I don't think he is saying Jesus ever sinned. He is simply saying that his "perfecting" was a process. A process which he completed "perfectly".

So then both of you would agree that Jesus was perfect before Jesus was baptized. Is that what you are saying?

[theway]

Originally Posted by Billyray

So then both of you would agree that Jesus was perfect before Jesus was baptized. Is that what you are saying?

And around and around she goes...

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by theway

And around and around she goes...

So are you finally going to admit that Jesus was perfect before he was baptized??.

[theway]

Originally Posted by Billyray

So are you finally going to admit that Jesus was perfect before he was baptized??.

Oh no you don't... I'm not getting on that merry-go-round ride with you.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by theway

Oh no you don't... I'm not getting on that merry-go-round ride with you.

It is OK to admit that you were wrong.

[Libby]

Except that he wasn't the one who was wrong. You were misunderstanding what he was saying.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Except that he wasn't the one who was wrong. You were misunderstanding what he was saying.

So you are saying that he meant to say that Jesus was perfect before he was baptized?

Originally Posted by theway

Jesus was baptized because He said He needed "to fulfill all righteousness"

Had He not of fulfilled all righteousness would He of still been perfect?
And if He was not perfect, was He still saved?

Libby perhaps you could explain what he meant by this post.

[glm1978]

Originally Posted by Billyray

So you are saying that he meant to say that Jesus was perfect before he was baptized?


Libby perhaps you could explain what he meant by this post.

Theway has said more than once that Jesus needed to be baptized in order to be perfect. He has placed himself in this quagmire that he cannot get out of. The lds know full well the Lorenzo Snow couplet. If God was once like us, then once upon a time he was not perfect.

[glm1978]

Originally Posted by Libby

I don't think so. I think you guys are misunderstanding what "the way" is saying.

I don't think he is saying Jesus ever sinned. He is simply saying that his "perfecting" was a process. A process which he completed "perfectly".

why not let theway speak for himself. When I and others on here mentioned that "being perfect" meant "complete" you posted that we were wresting the scripture to make it mean what we wanted.

The lds cannot have it both ways. To say that Jesus (As well as God) was once a man like us would mean that he was imperfect. If he was imperfect then he sinned. There are no perfect humans. So either Christ was always God the Son, or he was once a mortal who had to learn and grow which includes having been a sinner. Which is it?

Did you even look at the link sword9 submitted? There are lds apologists and others who said it was possible that God had sinned. That my dear is the confusing world of Mormonism.