Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post----Now--to the point--your implied thought--that Christ made spirits--- cannot fly because of at least one simple declaration:
John 20:17----King James Version (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Could you explain for us how Christ could have made all spirits--when He Himself conceded the fact that God the Father was not only the God and Father of His Spirit--but also those of mankind ?
BTW--Father is a paternal connection--not a mechanical one.But again--"things" could not have included spirits--as Christ testified that God the Father was both the God and Father of His Spirit and of mankind's.
John 20:17----King James Version (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
And if Christ's creation included all things in heaven and earth--visible and invisible--that would have Christ creating God the Father also.
As the scripture testifies:
John 1:1-5----King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Obviously--that did not include spirits.