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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir View Post
    Now james, I thought you were the one who claimed to be above-board and to not make personal attacks on posters, and whine and complain about other posters that do, and call for civility in everyone's posts.

    Why the change?
    All I did was to restate what he said.. He can't get p*** two or three lines.. Sorry you saw that as a personal attack. I was just saying that being lime that is a sad condition.. He has my sympathy.. I will try to keep my responses down so he can read them.. IHS jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Banta View Post
    All I did was to restate what he said.. He can't get p*** two or three lines.. Sorry you saw that as a personal attack. I was just saying that being lime that is a sad condition.. He has my sympathy.. I will try to keep my responses down so he can read them.. IHS jim
    LOL.....the sad part is you probably really believe what you just said.

    Being a lime isn't a sad condition, it is maybe sour though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir View Post
    LOL.....the sad part is you probably really believe what you just said.

    Being a lime isn't a sad condition, it is maybe sour though.
    I did mean it I thought it was sad.. IHS jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Banta View Post
    I did mean it I thought it was sad.. IHS jim
    Right. So if I say I think it is sad that you are an old crabby anti-Mormon who has nothing better to do than to cheat on his wife and then spend everyday trying to tell Mormons why they are wrong, I'm not really insulting you, because....well.....I really am sad that such is the case.

    That's your rationale.

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    James, did you cheat on someone you were married to? (I am giving your a chance to deny this...as it sounds like something that has been established.)
    I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)--Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJulie View Post
    James, did you cheat on someone you were married to? (I am giving your a chance to deny this...as it sounds like something that has been established.)
    Julie, here is James' words:

    "Yes I sinned and committed adultery. I was totally in myself having had walked away from God. Then I came to see that sin and the Holy Spirit convicted me and brought me back to the cross where I saw what my sin had caused in the suffering of my Lord.. I accepted His sacrifice for my sin and thanked Him for His grace..

    Since that day I have failed again and again in many ways and in differing ways.. It doesn't matter I still fail but as Paul said it is no longer I, but sin that lives within me.. He continues to work in me conforming me to the image of Jesus but unlike many He has a lit of work to do to get me where He wants me to be.. IHS jim"

    http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/s...l=1#post140054

    So, while I am fine that James feels he has repented and is forgiven, my point was to show that by me saying I am sad for him about it, it really comes off more as an insult than actually being genuine....like James is trying to claim he was doing above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJulie View Post
    James, did you cheat on someone you were married to? (I am giving your a chance to deny this...as it sounds like something that has been established.)
    And what point are you trying to make with this post BigJ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir View Post
    Julie, here is James' words:

    "Yes I sinned and committed adultery. I was totally in myself having had walked away from God. Then I came to see that sin and the Holy Spirit convicted me and brought me back to the cross where I saw what my sin had caused in the suffering of my Lord.. I accepted His sacrifice for my sin and thanked Him for His grace..

    Since that day I have failed again and again in many ways and in differing ways.. It doesn't matter I still fail but as Paul said it is no longer I, but sin that lives within me.. He continues to work in me conforming me to the image of Jesus but unlike many He has a lit of work to do to get me where He wants me to be.. IHS jim"

    http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/s...l=1#post140054

    So, while I am fine that James feels he has repented and is forgiven, my point was to show that by me saying I am sad for him about it, it really comes off more as an insult than actually being genuine....like James is trying to claim he was doing above.
    Ahhh, this knowledge explains more about James then just about anything else I have read--his absolute insistent that all sins are of the same magnitude, etc.,--thanks, you have given me a great insight into what is happening here in this forum.
    I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)--Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJulie View Post
    Ahhh, this knowledge explains more about James then just about anything else I have read--his absolute insistent that all sins are of the same magnitude, etc.,--thanks, you have given me a great insight into what is happening here in this forum.
    You don't believe in repentance? Or is repentance only for the LDS? This happened will after I left mormonism and to my shame I allowed it to happen.. I sinned, yes.. I was also forgiven.. I claim the promise of Jesus in His word that "though our sins be as scarlet they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." (Isaiah 1:18).. Do you deny that because of the blood of Jesus we can be forgiven? No not a MORMON. once a man slips and falls on his face he is forever branded a sinner who is beyond the grace of God.. Unless he joins the LDS church then all can be forgiven.. That is hypocritical. I have never hidden my sin from anyone.. Read it, it's the truth I did committed adultery.. According to God's word so has Sir, and so have you (James 2:10).. I have at least faced my sin. I have taken it to Jesus and allowed Him to deal with it.. IHS jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir View Post
    Julie, here is James' words:

    "Yes I sinned and committed adultery. I was totally in myself having had walked away from God. Then I came to see that sin and the Holy Spirit convicted me and brought me back to the cross where I saw what my sin had caused in the suffering of my Lord.. I accepted His sacrifice for my sin and thanked Him for His grace..

    Since that day I have failed again and again in many ways and in differing ways.. It doesn't matter I still fail but as Paul said it is no longer I, but sin that lives within me.. He continues to work in me conforming me to the image of Jesus but unlike many He has a lit of work to do to get me where He wants me to be.. IHS jim"

    http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/s...l=1#post140054

    So, while I am fine that James feels he has repented and is forgiven, my point was to show that by me saying I am sad for him about it, it really comes off more as an insult than actually being genuine....like James is trying to claim he was doing above.
    Yeap, that was a report of my actions of 10 years ago. I have taken that to Jesus and it is GONE.. Are your adulteries gone? And don't say you have none.. You are so fond of James 2 throwing the Faith without works is dead around like a victory flag but ignore not just the meaning of that statement but also the rest of the Chapter. James 2:10 tells us that if we keep the whole law except one point we are guilty of all.. Are you ready to accept that a real Christian is only righteous through being imputed with the righteousness of Jesus or are you still trying to establish you own righteousness through your own good works? Now tell me you have never failed to be obedient? But you say I repented.. Sure repentance is good enough for you but denied to me? Isn't that hypocritical? IHS jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Banta View Post
    You don't believe in repentance? Or is repentance only for the LDS? This happened will after I left mormonism and to my shame I allowed it to happen.. I sinned, yes.. I was also forgiven.. I claim the promise of Jesus in His word that "though our sins be as scarlet they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." (Isaiah 1:18).. Do you deny that because of the blood of Jesus we can be forgiven? No not a MORMON. once a man slips and falls on his face he is forever branded a sinner who is beyond the grace of God.. Unless he joins the LDS church then all can be forgiven.. That is hypocritical. I have never hidden my sin from anyone.. Read it, it's the truth I did committed adultery.. According to God's word so has Sir, and so have you (James 2:10).. I have at least faced my sin. I have taken it to Jesus and allowed Him to deal with it.. IHS jim
    Interesting that you took up adultery after you left Mormonism.

    The difference between Mormonism and many other religions is that repentence takes on a whole new level. You are not permitted to just take up your sin with God--you also have to take it up with those in authority because you have not only offended God, but offended all those with whom you promised to be a representative a Christ. You took on Christ's name and with it a responsibility. Just like if you worked for a company and embezzled from them, it would not be enough to set things right just with God--there is a whole other group that you have hurt Therefore, the process of repentence in the LDS faith often means that one may be disfellowshiped or even excommunicated if the sin is serious enough. The sinner then gets to start the long-process of repentence in which God must be satisfied, your wife must be satisfied and those in authority must be satisfied that you have truely taken every step to right your wrong. The person can then be rebaptized and re-enter into God's grace.

    You belive a person should be "tossed' if they do not believe the Bible is God's word. Well, committing adultery is a pretty big sign that you are not believing what God says
    I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)--Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

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    [QUOTE=BigJulie;147683]Interesting that you took up adultery after you left Mormonism.
    BigJulie, you are one evil person, shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealFakeHair View Post
    BigJulie, you are one evil person, shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Why, for noting that he committed such a large sin after he left? I just know from experience that had he stayed true and faithful to the covenants he had made in the LDS faith, this would not have happened. This is the protection of the Holy Ghost---it gives a warning. Members that I have persoanlly known that have done such a thing have stopped living in such a way that they kept them in touch with the spirit. Those "feelings' you criticize--one of them is guilt. It helps a lot, really---before you take such a giant leap into self destructive behavior.

    I say interesting because this just confirms once again that this is a normal pattern I have witnessed.

    Does this lessen my opinion of James--no. Do I feel he can repent? Yes. Do I believe he has fully repented? I believe that he believes he has---but I also know that it takes an awful lot of humility to sit before one who has authority from God to judge and to confess your sins and allow them to determine (with revelation) the next steps you must take to satisfy every level of repentence.

    Do I believe in the atonement of Jesus Christ to wash away such a sin---absolutely! Do I believe James is going to hell. No.

    You see, I have far less judgement of James than he has of me. Call me evil if you want, but I am just learning a little deeper what is happening with James. Truly, he has my comp***ion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJulie View Post
    Interesting that you took up adultery after you left Mormonism.

    The difference between Mormonism and many other religions is that repentence takes on a whole new level.
    We all sin BigJ but the irony of your post is that your sins are far worse than Jim's and yet you are completely unaware of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
    We all sin BigJ but the irony of your post is that your sins are far worse than Jim's and yet you are completely unaware of it.
    Yes, we all sin---all this knowledge of James sin did was teach me a little bit about him. It actually gives me more comp***ion for him. I understand that he has experienced some far greater trouble than I had realized.

    This I also know with a surety. Had he stayed in the church and stayed close to the Spirit, this would not have happened. As I noted, those "feelings' that are often looked so down on by those here--those feelings have the capacity to guide and direct one back to God (such as guilt) and take away any desire to sin because when God touches our heart, it does more than any intellectual understanding of God can do. God is not just found in the page of a book--He is found within us when we seek Him. James could have spared his wife the pain I am sure she felt.
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    There are three men I have personally known who have left the church---2 blatently and one just doesn't go to church. The first two have grabbed onto anything negative about the church. What I also know is that both have had some pretty serious problems with pornography and one has had some pretty serious problems with same-sex attraction. Both, when confronted wtih guilt for their behavior, instead of softening their heart and seeking strength from God, instead choose to harden their hearts and find problems with the church to help absolve them of their guilt feelings.

    Well, I have p***ed bill-boards in which other denominations claim things such as "give up the guilt." Well--in my experience, that guilt is a necessary thing. It is a saving thing. It is part of God's grace. The answer isn't to just give up the guilt---it is to learn how to use the atonement to cleanse ourselves of the impurity that is causing the guilt. As we do so, we feel the love of God as He changes our hearts. That is really the miracle.

    Both of these men have gone onto further self-destruction. The absolution of their guilt did not make them better---they went further into darkness. It has been very sad to watch.

    On the other hand, I have known men with pornography problems who choose instead to soften their hearts and to come unto Christ. I have watch them become strong in their faith---as they watched the power of the Atonement in their lives and see God's ability to cleanse them from this desire. It really is a miracle to behold.

    Namely, to deny that God teaches us through our hearts--through feelings---is one of the saddest things I have ever witnessed. I have seen so muh destruction from those who have denied those God given feelings. Is that to say that there are not feelings that are destructive---certainly there are, such as lust. But to come to know God is to know the Spirit and to recognize which feeling is from God and which feeling is from our flesh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJulie View Post
    There are three men I have personally known who have left the church---2 blatently and one just doesn't go to church. The first two have grabbed onto anything negative about the church. What I also know is that both have had some pretty serious problems with pornography and one has had some pretty serious problems with same-sex attraction. Both, when confronted wtih guilt for their behavior, instead of softening their heart and seeking strength from God, instead choose to harden their hearts and find problems with the church to help absolve them of their guilt feelings.

    Well, I have p***ed bill-boards in which other denominations claim things such as "give up the guilt." Well--in my experience, that guilt is a necessary thing. It is a saving thing. It is part of God's grace. The answer isn't to just give up the guilt---it is to learn how to use the atonement to cleanse ourselves of the impurity that is causing the guilt. As we do so, we feel the love of God as He changes our hearts. That is really the miracle.

    Both of these men have gone onto further self-destruction. The absolution of their guilt did not make them better---they went further into darkness. It has been very sad to watch.

    On the other hand, I have known men with pornography problems who choose instead to soften their hearts and to come unto Christ. I have watch them become strong in their faith---as they watched the power of the Atonement in their lives and see God's ability to cleanse them from this desire. It really is a miracle to behold.

    Namely, to deny that God teaches us through our hearts--through feelings---is one of the saddest things I have ever witnessed. I have seen so muh destruction from those who have denied those God given feelings. Is that to say that there are not feelings that are destructive---certainly there are, such as lust. But to come to know God is to know the Spirit and to recognize which feeling is from God and which feeling is from our flesh.
    If Jesus has become sin for us and has given those of us that believe His righteousness what is there to be guilty about? Guilty that we are now perfect in Him? You make no sense at all.. IHS jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJulie View Post
    There are three men I have personally known who have left the church---2 blatently and one just doesn't go to church. The first two have grabbed onto anything negative about the church. What I also know is that both have had some pretty serious problems with pornography and one has had some pretty serious problems with same-sex attraction. Both, when confronted wtih guilt for their behavior, instead of softening their heart and seeking strength from God, instead choose to harden their hearts and find problems with the church to help absolve them of their guilt feelings.

    Well, I have p***ed bill-boards in which other denominations claim things such as "give up the guilt." Well--in my experience, that guilt is a necessary thing. It is a saving thing. It is part of God's grace. The answer isn't to just give up the guilt---it is to learn how to use the atonement to cleanse ourselves of the impurity that is causing the guilt. As we do so, we feel the love of God as He changes our hearts. That is really the miracle.

    Both of these men have gone onto further self-destruction. The absolution of their guilt did not make them better---they went further into darkness. It has been very sad to watch.

    On the other hand, I have known men with pornography problems who choose instead to soften their hearts and to come unto Christ. I have watch them become strong in their faith---as they watched the power of the Atonement in their lives and see God's ability to cleanse them from this desire. It really is a miracle to behold.

    Namely, to deny that God teaches us through our hearts--through feelings---is one of the saddest things I have ever witnessed. I have seen so muh destruction from those who have denied those God given feelings. Is that to say that there are not feelings that are destructive---certainly there are, such as lust. But to come to know God is to know the Spirit and to recognize which feeling is from God and which feeling is from our flesh.
    I have to give you kudos for that post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Banta View Post
    If Jesus has become sin for us and has given those of us that believe His righteousness what is there to be guilty about? Guilty that we are now perfect in Him? You make no sense at all.. IHS jim
    That's a perfect example of why people flock to the easy false gospel of cheap grace. They blame their sins on the "sin that is inside them", then they claim that Jesus has simply paid for their sin so there is no need to feel guilty for sinning. Oops, I committed adultery. Oh well, no need to feel guilty. Jesus paid for it and hey!, my actually committing adultery is no different than anybody else who has simply looked at a woman.

    No wonder people like James find anything else as "not making sense". Their gospel relieves them of any responsibility or guilt of committing sin, which actually cheapens the atonement and gives them a sense of license to sin since they can easily blame their sin on sin and claim that they are still righteous and holy since God doesn't see their sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJulie View Post
    Yes, we all sin---all this knowledge of James sin did was teach me a little bit about him. It actually gives me more comp***ion for him. I understand that he has experienced some far greater trouble than I had realized.

    This I also know with a surety. Had he stayed in the church and stayed close to the Spirit, this would not have happened. As I noted, those "feelings' that are often looked so down on by those here--those feelings have the capacity to guide and direct one back to God (such as guilt) and take away any desire to sin because when God touches our heart, it does more than any intellectual understanding of God can do. God is not just found in the page of a book--He is found within us when we seek Him. James could have spared his wife the pain I am sure she felt.
    And again you completely sidestepped what I said. Here it is again for you.

    We all sin BigJ but the irony of your post is that your sins are far worse than Jim's and yet you are completely unaware of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
    And again you completely sidestepped what I said. Here it is again for you.

    We all sin BigJ but the irony of your post is that your sins are far worse than Jim's and yet you are completely unaware of it.
    The actual "irony" here is that James' whole contention is that his sins are NO worse than anyone else's, and that in fact all sin is equal in severity.

    That's the gospel of fringe-anti-Mormon-evangelicals who once called themselves Mormons.

    Here we see that according to a different member of that cult, some sins are WORSE than others. For example, believing in Jesus differently than they do is WORSE than going behind your wife's back and sleeping with another woman.

    *shrug*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir View Post
    The actual "irony" here is that James' whole contention is that his sins are NO worse than anyone else's, and that in fact all sin is equal in severity.

    That's the gospel of fringe-anti-Mormon-evangelicals who once called themselves Mormons.

    Here we see that according to a different member of that cult, some sins are WORSE than others. For example, believing in Jesus differently than they do is WORSE than going behind your wife's back and sleeping with another woman.

    *shrug*
    Believing in and worshipping false gods is certainly far worse and Jim has repented but you and BigJ have not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
    Believing in and worshipping false gods is certainly far worse and Jim has repented but you and BigJ have not.
    Opinion. Conjecture. false accusations based on negative bias. Same old billy.

    Nothing new.

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    Lets be fair and lets not forget the "prophets" sins...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#List_of_wives

    Why is this OK and you guys practically crucify James Banta? Hypocrites....

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    That might be a valid point. Let's consider it:

    Which is worse?

    a) Sleeping with women who you didn't marry.
    b) Marrying more than one woman at a time.

    I am not the first to wonder at the society we live in, where it's illegal to be married to more than one wife, but it's legal to have one-night stands with people, as long as you're NOT married to them.

    Something about that just seems upside-down, common-sense-wise.

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