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    Default 19th Century Photo of Joseph Smith’s “Caractors” Discovered

    This is about a 19th Century photo of the "Caracters" document that I discovered last year and thought I would share ....

    http://mormonitemusings.com/2013/08/...rs-discovered/

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    Quote Originally Posted by grindael View Post
    This is about a 19th Century photo of the "Caracters" document that I discovered last year and thought I would share ....

    http://mormonitemusings.com/2013/08/...rs-discovered/
    Attachment 182 Click on the image to enlarge..

    When I was a boy I made up "secret codes" like this.. IHS jim

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    Hi James,

    I see you still have your sense of humor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by grindael View Post
    Hi James,

    I see you still have your sense of humor...
    How I WISH that it was just funny.. None of these characters have any reference at all to Egyptian. As I have shown they are much closer to English.. Here compare the two...

    Attachment 183 Attachment 184

    Just where are these anywhere similar.. This supports the idea that mormonism is sad deathly sad, not funny, not funny at all.. IHS jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Banta View Post
    How I WISH that it was just funny.. None of these characters have any reference at all to Egyptian. As I have shown they are much closer to English.. Here compare the two...

    Attachment 183 Attachment 184

    Just where are these anywhere similar.. This supports the idea that mormonism is sad deathly sad, not funny, not funny at all.. IHS jim
    All the proof in the world wont change the minds of the LDSinc TBM. I was watching the BYU channel this mormon and stand amazed even today just how much they believe in the fairytale book of mormon. There they were these five men having discussion about the book as if it really really happened. As if it were an historical book of importance to the rest of the world.
    Hint, TBM out there, it is a joke, the Book of Mormon is at best a poorly written novel. I guess this is why I love to study mormonism; it show alot about our human brain and how it works or not when it comes to religion and belief. Cognitive dissonance working overtime!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealFakeHair View Post
    All the proof in the world wont change the minds of the LDSinc TBM. I was watching the BYU channel this mormon and stand amazed even today just how much they believe in the fairytale book of mormon. There they were these five men having discussion about the book as if it really really happened. As if it were an historical book of importance to the rest of the world.
    Hint, TBM out there, it is a joke, the Book of Mormon is at best a poorly written novel. I guess this is why I love to study mormonism; it show alot about our human brain and how it works or not when it comes to religion and belief. Cognitive dissonance working overtime!
    I so want the LDS to show how their BofM was given to them a record in the language of my father (Lehi), which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the Egyptians (1 Nephi 1:2). Shouldn't we see some of the Egyptian characters in the example of the characters Smith sent to Professor Anton? But as anyone can see these characters are better described as "Deformed English" rather than "Reformed Egyptian" IHS jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Banta View Post
    I so want the LDS to show how their BofM was given to them a record in the language of my father (Lehi), which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the Egyptians (1 Nephi 1:2). Shouldn't we see some of the Egyptian characters in the example of the characters Smith sent to Professor Anton? But as anyone can see these characters are better described as "Deformed English" rather than "Reformed Egyptian" IHS jim
    On the BYU channel today the Moderator asked, "How could anyone not believe the Book of Mormon, because it was written in only 60 days?"
    Answer, because it reads like it was only written in 60 days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealFakeHair View Post
    On the BYU channel today the Moderator asked, "How could anyone not believe the Book of Mormon, because it was written in only 60 days?"
    Answer, because it reads like it was only written in 60 days!
    Really only 60 days? The conversion of Alma the Younger was all new, right? Lehi's dream (According to Lucy Mac Smith, Joseph's mother) was Joseph Smith Sr dream.. The m***ive copying of both the Old and New Testaments (Including all initialize words), The stories Joseph regaled his family with long before he had the Gold plates make 60 days seem kind of long.. Most of the story was all put together he just needed someone who could write to take it all down.. IHS jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Banta View Post
    Really only 60 days? The conversion of Alma the Younger was all new, right? Lehi's dream (According to Lucy Mac Smith, Joseph's mother) was Joseph Smith Sr dream.. The m***ive copying of both the Old and New Testaments (Including all initialize words), The stories Joseph regaled his family with long before he had the Gold plates make 60 days seem kind of long.. Most of the story was all put together he just needed someone who could write to take it all down.. IHS jim
    I wonder if the phrase,( and it came to p***.) was in any of the Smith's dreams?
    As many times as it appears in the Book of Mormon it may explain why Smith family were so weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Banta View Post
    Really only 60 days? The conversion of Alma the Younger was all new, right? Lehi's dream (According to Lucy Mac Smith, Joseph's mother) was Joseph Smith Sr dream.. The m***ive copying of both the Old and New Testaments (Including all initialize words), The stories Joseph regaled his family with long before he had the Gold plates make 60 days seem kind of long.. Most of the story was all put together he just needed someone who could write to take it all down.. IHS jim
    I would think that the grammar and syntax following the KJV in thousands of places would be enough to prove plagiarism. I mean if the KJV translation team (not inspired by the HG) made grammar mistakes then ok. Through time they have been corrected. It would be unlike that another uninspired English team 100 years later would make those very same mistakes in type and quan***y translating from the very same documents. But along comes someone who translates from a third foreign language about a different land and people and it contains not insignificant portions of another text but also the same grammar mistakes that uninspired the 16th century English translators made and some how that is proof of Divine guidance. To me if it was a Divinely inspired translation would it not be grammar mistake free? If it was Divinely inspired and the earthen vessel is allowed some mistakes how making the same exact mistakes a proof of Divine inspiration?

    In a court of law or any college paper it would be plagiarism.
    Last edited by MacG; 08-28-2013 at 01:06 AM. Reason: and it contains not significant portions of another text " should read "and it contains not INsignificant portions of..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacG View Post
    I would think that the grammar and syntax following the KJV in thousands of places would be enough to prove plagiarism. I mean if the KJV translation team (not inspired by the HG) made grammar mistakes then ok. Through time they have been corrected. It would be unlike that another uninspired English team 100 years later would make those very same mistakes in type and quan***y translating from the very same documents. But along comes someone who translates from a third foreign language about a different land and people and it contains not significant portions of another text but also the same grammar mistakes that uninspired the 16th century English translators made and some how that is proof of Divine guidance. To me if it was a Divinely inspired translation would it not be grammar mistake free? If it was Divinely inspired and the earthen vessel is allowed some mistakes how making the same exact mistakes a proof of Divine inspiration?

    In a court of law or any college paper it would be plagiarism.
    I can't rep, you on this so I'll just have to say.. I AGREE.. IHS jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacG View Post
    I would think that the grammar and syntax following the KJV in thousands of places would be enough to prove plagiarism. I mean if the KJV translation team (not inspired by the HG) made grammar mistakes then ok. Through time they have been corrected. It would be unlike that another uninspired English team 100 years later would make those very same mistakes in type and quan***y translating from the very same documents. But along comes someone who translates from a third foreign language about a different land and people and it contains not significant portions of another text but also the same grammar mistakes that uninspired the 16th century English translators made and some how that is proof of Divine guidance. To me if it was a Divinely inspired translation would it not be grammar mistake free? If it was Divinely inspired and the earthen vessel is allowed some mistakes how making the same exact mistakes a proof of Divine inspiration?

    In a court of law or any college paper it would be plagiarism.
    It has been a while since I've been in college but from what I remember as long as you give credit then it is not plagiarism, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Patrol View Post
    It has been a while since I've been in college but from what I remember as long as you give credit then it is not plagiarism, right?
    I own an 1830 replica of the original BofM. There is no credit their for the m***ive amounts of Biblical scripture Smith added to the BofM.. Credit has to be given in the first addition not later telling people to compare the more recent work with the older publication.. Smith just plagiarized without giving credit.. IHS jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Banta View Post
    I own an 1830 replica of the original BofM. There is no credit their for the m***ive amounts of Biblical scripture Smith added to the BofM.. Credit has to be given in the first addition not later telling people to compare the more recent work with the older publication.. Smith just plagiarized without giving credit.. IHS jim
    The m***ive amounts you are talking about are probably the sections in 2 Nephi that quote Isaiah. In 2 Nephi 6:4 it says

    4 And now, behold, I would speak unto you concerning things which are, and which are to come; wherefore, I will read you the words of Isaiah. And they are the words which my brother has desired that I should speak unto you. And I speak unto you for your sakes, that ye may learn and glorify the name of your God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Patrol View Post
    The m***ive amounts you are talking about are probably the sections in 2 Nephi that quote Isaiah. In 2 Nephi 6:4 it says

    4 And now, behold, I would speak unto you concerning things which are, and which are to come; wherefore, I will read you the words of Isaiah. And they are the words which my brother has desired that I should speak unto you. And I speak unto you for your sakes, that ye may learn and glorify the name of your God.
    Yup. If Mac were to say, "And now I will tell you what Walter Martin once wrote...." and then proceeded to recite what WM had written, it wouldn't be fair to Mac to accuse him of plagiarism.....
    Last edited by nrajeffreturns; 08-28-2013 at 08:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns View Post
    Yup. I Mac were to say, "And now I will tell you what Walter Martin once wrote...." and then proceeded to recite what WM had written, it wouldn't be fair to Mac to accuse him of plagiarism.....
    " I will read you the words of Isaiah. "

    Not being as well read as you two in the book of Nephi, please tell me which Isaiah p***ages he read after "I will read..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacG View Post
    " I will read you the words of Isaiah. "

    Not being as well read as you two in the book of Nephi, please tell me which Isaiah p***ages he read after "I will read..."
    Well, if you're making the accusation of plagiarism from Isaiah p***ages, shouldn't you already know the p***ages in question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns View Post
    Well, if you're making the accusation of plagiarism from Isaiah p***ages, shouldn't you already know the p***ages in question?
    My apologies, see post #9

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacG View Post
    My apologies, see post #9
    You mean this post, that was made by fakehair?

    "I wonder if the phrase,( and it came to p***.) was in any of the Smith's dreams?
    As many times as it appears in the Book of Mormon it may explain why Smith family were so weird."


    What am I supposed to be seeing in there that is worthy of a serious response?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns View Post
    You mean this post, that was made by fakehair?

    "I wonder if the phrase,( and it came to p***.) was in any of the Smith's dreams?
    As many times as it appears in the Book of Mormon it may explain why Smith family were so weird."


    What am I supposed to be seeing in there that is worthy of a serious response?
    Why thanks for askin. With hat in hand Joseph Smith jr. placed his face into said hat and read word for word the great Mormon god had given him to read. Question to Nrajeffreturns, do you really think the great Mormon god got stuck on the phrase (and it came to p***, and it came to p***, and it came to p***, and it came to p*** and it came to p***.) and so forth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns View Post
    You mean this post, that was made by fakehair?

    "I wonder if the phrase,( and it came to p***.) was in any of the Smith's dreams?
    As many times as it appears in the Book of Mormon it may explain why Smith family were so weird."


    What am I supposed to be seeing in there that is worthy of a serious response?
    Sorry. Unbeknownst to me the post numbers are not static...

    This is the post here which I tried to direct you to.
    Last edited by MacG; 08-29-2013 at 12:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacG View Post
    Sory. Unbeknownst to me the post numbers are not static...

    This is the post here which I tried to direct you to.
    You may want to try again. The post you linked to was created hours after your "See post #9". It would have been impossible to send him to James' post because it wasn't created yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Patrol View Post
    You may want to try again. The post you linked to was created hours after your "See post #9". It would have been impossible to send him to James' post because it wasn't created yet.
    Thanks. I fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacG View Post
    Thanks. I fix.
    OK, I can give a response to that if you want. Give me a little time to look at it and consider it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Patrol View Post
    The m***ive amounts you are talking about are probably the sections in 2 Nephi that quote Isaiah. In 2 Nephi 6:4 it says

    4 And now, behold, I would speak unto you concerning things which are, and which are to come; wherefore, I will read you the words of Isaiah. And they are the words which my brother has desired that I should speak unto you. And I speak unto you for your sakes, that ye may learn and glorify the name of your God.
    That is a quote how about these:

    In 3 Nephi 13:27, we read: "Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?" see Matthew 6:27 for the p***age this was plagiarized from.

    The Sermon on the mount is given almost word from word in 3 Nephi 12.. There is no reference at all to Matthew in these writings.. These are too close to the KJV text of Matthew to be considered anything but plagiarism.. IHS jim

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