Notice to Christians: Better to Put some on Ignore! They Aren't Here to Debate

[Snow Patrol]

Originally Posted by Apologette

Blah, blah, blah,yourself. Sounds like what we always get from Mormons, anyway. No Christians believe any cloth saves them - if so, prove it instead of making asinine accusations. By the way, tell us where you got that supposed quote about the clerical collar? Link us to it. Maybe FAIR?

I guess I will have to continue and hand feed you this stuff since you completely refuse to comprehend anything or read previous threads. Here is what I provided to Neverending. http://www.courageouspriest.com/23-r...ear-his-collar

[neverending]

Originally Posted by Apologette

Blah, blah, blah,yourself. Sounds like what we always get from Mormons, anyway. No Christians believe any cloth saves them - if so, prove it instead of making asinine accusations. By the way, tell us where you got that supposed quote about the clerical collar? Link us to it. Maybe FAIR?

Snow gave this link earlier so here it is: http://www.courageouspriest.com/23-r...ear-his-collar
I found it quite interesting since I don't know that much about Catholics, especially Priests, Bishops, Cardinals etc. Never knew how they felt about wearing their collars, or what their church teaches about it. There are many Christian Churches where their Pastors wear a robe, it doesn't bother me and I don't know why they wear them other then its tradition. Could it also be a sign of pride? I was a nurse and wearing my uniform always made me feel special. When people saw me they knew I was a nurse which automatically gave me their respect. That uniform too was like a badge of honor, since getting through Nursing School was very hard and stressful; so many hoops to jump through and being responsible for people's lives.

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[neverending]

Originally Posted by Snow Patrol

I guess I will have to continue and hand feed you this stuff since you completely refuse to comprehend anything or read previous threads. Here is what I provided to Neverending. http://www.courageouspriest.com/23-r...ear-his-collar

Hey, I just gave your link to Apologette. It really was a lot of help and I learned something today

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by neverending

Hey, I just gave your link to Apologette. It really was a lot of help and I learned something today

Neverending, there are all kinds of Catholics and that site is not an OFFICIAL Catholic site. So, much of it is pious opinion. In any case, what was on that link has nothing to do with the sacred Mormon under wear which is OFFICIAL doctrine. That is the difference. Romans have all kinds of nonsensical personal beliefs - but then there are millions and millions of them, and they far out number the dwindling Mormon cult. For the most part, clerical garb is to let the world know that the man is a priest - in Catholicism, a person who is dying, for instance, must get absolution from a priest and special clothing helps identify priests in case of an emergency. A Catholic with an unrepented mortal sin upon his soul goes to hell - that's what Romans believe. For this reason, and many more, Romans are not part of biblical Christianity. Trust me, I happen to know a lot about Catholics. So, Snow's appealing to a bunch of Catholic false teachings doesn't justify wearing undergarments for protection. Chrsitians don't participate in such supersti tion.

[BigJulie]

Apologette, you accuse me of lying and then state this:

Originally Posted by Apologette

Although we can see that BIG has already said she doesn't want to hang out with "gentiles," but loves ***ociating with "temple Mormons."

Let's see if you can put your money where your mouth is. Find even one post where I say this---even one.

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by Snow Patrol

Actually, all I'm doing is seeing if you will follow through with what you said here "I would IF they saw even some spiritual protection in the cloth." So I would like to see some evidence of you going to a Catholic forum and ridiculing them for their priests wearing those collars.

You go to the Catholic forum and come back with your findings.. I will believe you.. I didn't bring Catholics into the discussion, you did.. You want to prove that have even more false teachings other than praying to saints, and idols.. Seeing Mary as some how being almost divine. Calling men father when Jesus forbid the practice then by all means go to them and prove that they are just like you.. I will Pray only to God.. I bow down to no image made by hands. I see Mary as a sinner, saved by grace though faith the same as all human beings who believe.. I call no man father, though I except the t i tle of dad from my children.. But you can do all that if you find Catholics to be the kind of religion you see as the truth.. I see little truth in them myself.. IHS jim

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by Snow Patrol

Blah, blah, blah. Nothing to do with what I asked of James.

And I answered you so if you have some problem with what I said bring it to me. DON'T use me as example to support your nonsense.. I said that no Christian will put their trust is a piece of cloth for protection from physical or spiritual attacks.. So Christian see anything supernatural in cloth's ability to protect a person from anything but the cold weather.. IHS jim

[nrajeffreturns]

Originally Posted by Snow Patrol

Do you likewise ridicule, make fun of, demean, and so on if your pastor wears special clothing or any other religious person that wears special clothing? Just wondering if you are a equal opportunity ridiculer.

Of course they aren't. They have one specific group of people they are obsessed with criticizing, ridiculing, attacking, defaming, and demonizing. And some of them actually claim that God has given them that "holy" calling, as if they are doing God's work. And rumors, gossip, hearsay, and propaganda are acceptable weapons in the way they wage their imaginary war.

[neverending]

Originally Posted by Apologette

Neverending, there are all kinds of Catholics and that site is not an OFFICIAL Catholic site. So, much of it is pious opinion. In any case, what was on that link has nothing to do with the sacred Mormon under wear which is OFFICIAL doctrine. That is the difference. Romans have all kinds of nonsensical personal beliefs - but then there are millions and millions of them, and they far out number the dwindling Mormon cult. For the most part, clerical garb is to let the world know that the man is a priest - in Catholicism, a person who is dying, for instance, must get absolution from a priest and special clothing helps identify priests in case of an emergency. A Catholic with an unrepented mortal sin upon his soul goes to hell - that's what Romans believe. For this reason, and many more, Romans are not part of biblical Christianity. Trust me, I happen to know a lot about Catholics. So, Snow's appealing to a bunch of Catholic false teachings doesn't justify wearing undergarments for protection. Chrsitians don't participate in such supersti tion.

I guess I'm not a very good Christian then because I have my supersti tions, like a lucky four leaf clover, a real one embedded under gl*** and is a necklace. A sterling silver lucky shamrock that I wear too due to my Irish heritage. I also like lucky rabbit's feet. Oh well, I only think it is disrespectful. As a Christian I certainly wouldn't like to see anyone stomp on a cross or burn one as the KKK did not so long ago or vandalize a Christian Church as has happened here in the Salt Lake valley twice this year.

[nrajeffreturns]

Originally Posted by Apologette

A Catholic with an unrepented mortal sin upon his soul goes to hell - that's what Romans believe.

Isn't it also what James believes? Isn't dying with an unforgiven sin the same as committing the unpardonable sin?

[nrajeffreturns]

Originally Posted by James Banta

Calling men father when Jesus forbid the practice ...

Have you informed FATHER JD that Jesus forbids that screen name?

[nrajeffreturns]

Originally Posted by Apologette

Which reminds me of the fact that Joseph Smith carried a Jupiter Talisman, an occult symbol, on his person as he jumped to his death from Carthage jail. .

Which reminds me that someone already told you that Quinn was mistaken about that. Do you feel his writings are infallible and inerrant?

[nrajeffreturns]

Originally Posted by Apologette

No Christians believe any cloth saves them -

Does any Christian believe that a piece of wood in the shape of a lower-case "T" can save them?

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns

Does any Christian believe that a piece of wood in the shape of a lower-case "T" can save them?

Nope.. It is the symbol of suffering and shame.. The symbol that memorializes the freedom from death both physical and spiritual that God purchased for us in the blood of Jesus. Can Jesus save us as he suffered and died there? YES! All it takes is to believe in Him.. Not some myth of some created being that was the spirit brother of Satan and the spirits of all mankind, but instead is the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father.. The LDS church doesn't worship or believe that salvation can come though the graven image of a man that they install on all their temples, they do see it as a statement of their belief in a restoration of the one true Church.. Is that evil? I think it is but I am not the one to answer for that practice.. The cross is a visual reminder of the atonement God provided for us in the Blood of His Son.. It is not the image of anything form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. It is simply two pieces of lumber built to be a place of execution.

If I were you I wouldn't be the one that starts a war about the cross.. You live in a gl*** house in that matter.. IHS jim

[neverending]

Originally Posted by James Banta

Nope.. It is the symbol of suffering and shame.. The symbol that memorializes the freedom from death both physical and spiritual that God purchased for us in the blood of Jesus. Can Jesus save us as he suffered and died there? YES! All it takes is to believe in Him.. Not some myth of some created being that was the spirit brother of Satan and the spirits of all mankind, but instead is the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father.. The LDS church doesn't worship or believe that salvation can come though the graven image of a man that they install on all their temples, they do see it as a statement of their belief in a restoration of the one true Church.. Is that evil? I think it is but I am not the one to answer for that practice.. The cross is a visual reminder of the atonement God provided for us in the Blood of His Son.. It is not the image of anything form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. It is simply two pieces of lumber built to be a place of execution.

If I were you I wouldn't be the one that starts a war about the cross.. You live in a gl*** house in that matter.. IHS jim

Do you remember the first time we went to visit with my parents and I was wearing a cross? Remember how upset my Dad got? How he asked me, "why do you wear that, do you worship it?" How very sad that even my own father didn't understand that, no, we don't worship the cross but it is a reminder that it was the tool in which our dear Savior died and took upon him the sins of the world. If the LDS have the restored gospel and the truth, why then don't they have crosses on their Ward Houses or Stake Centers and for that matter, their temples? Are they ashamed of the cross? Ashamed of what Christ did for them or is it that they don't believe his death on the cross was enough, for they have to do good works to gain their salvation....the blood of Christ wasn't sufficient?

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by neverending

Do you remember the first time we went to visit with my parents and I was wearing a cross? Remember how upset my Dad got? How he asked me, "why do you wear that, do you worship it?" How very sad that even my own father didn't understand that, no, we don't worship the cross but it is a reminder that it was the tool in which our dear Savior died and took upon him the sins of the world. If the LDS have the restored gospel and the truth, why then don't they have crosses on their Ward Houses or Stake Centers and for that matter, their temples? Are they ashamed of the cross? Ashamed of what Christ did for them or is it that they don't believe his death on the cross was enough, for they have to do good works to gain their salvation....the blood of Christ wasn't sufficient?

That is a great point. As His children we must never be ashamed to take his name and purpose for coming among us to the world.. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes (Romans 1:16). Remember this as the LDS rail against us for holding their teachings up as lies.. IHS jim

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns

Does any Christian believe that a piece of wood in the shape of a lower-case "T" can save them?

Nope. Did you think otherwise?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns

Which reminds me that someone already told you that Quinn was mistaken about that.

So you don't believe that Joseph had a "Jupiter Talisman"?

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Apologette

[B]Do you believe that a public board like CARM (or even this) should be used to disclose intimate secrets about family members? ....

This post does raise a very good issue to always keep in mind when on the internet and when in a chatroom or message board forum.

As people get to know each other there is a temptation to talk about your personal life.
This happens a lot in the Private Message area.
But the thing you should try to keep in mind is that things that you might think are shared in "private" have a way of getting posted later in the open.

I know a while ago on a different message forum that a young girl that had admitted in a "private Message" to a sin she had committed 10 years before, was suddenly listed by a totally different person that was arguing with her on a totally unrelated topic.

What happened was that her past sin was shared between people in different Private messages until someone who is a real nasty poster learned it, then that person (a male) popped onto the forum and used what he had learned against her in an effort to hurt her.

The result was that the young girl dropped out of the forum and never returned.


I did not learn about this until much later, but I felt that any guy who did this to another poster, let alone a young girl, is a beneath contempt.

But it also taught me the importance of playing our cards close to the vest when on a message forum.

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

This post does raise a very good issue to always keep in mind when on the internet and when in a chatroom or message board forum.

As people get to know each other there is a temptation to talk about your personal life.
This happens a lot in the Private Message area.
But the thing you should try to keep in mind is that things that you might think are shared in "private" have a way of getting posted later in the open.

I know a while ago on a different message forum that a young girl that had admitted in a "private Message" to a sin she had committed 10 years before, was suddenly listed by a totally different person that was arguing with her on a totally unrelated topic.

What happened was that her past sin was shared between people in different Private messages until someone who is a real nasty poster learned it, then that person (a male) popped onto the forum and used what he had learned against her in an effort to hurt her.

The result was that the young girl dropped out of the forum and never returned.


I did not learn about this until much later, but I felt that any guy who did this to another poster, let alone a young girl, is a beneath contempt.

But it also taught me the importance of playing our cards close to the vest when on a message forum.

A good example of this is when Sir (who is Apollos over on CARM) began taking messages posted on the visitor messages boards of Christians and posting them there and over here. That was a despicable thing to do, and as we examined our profile sites we all noticed that Apollos (who may also go by other names on CARM) had been visiting all our visitor messages sites and sometimes copying messages. Christians soon fixed their settings so that only friends could see their messages. That is why I always send private messages, on WM, and only to those who I trust. That can't really be done on CARM unless you are a paying member (and I won't pay for the right to debate cultists). I once posted on a Muslim site (they are similar to Mormons in the area of ethics). Not only did they trace my IP, they acted in a threatening manner.This was around the time that a Coptic Christian who had been threatened on a Muslim forum was murdered in his apartment in Jersey City, NJ. I'm still not convinced it was simply a break in. There are thousands of Muslims in that area). Fortunately they couldn't locate our address (however, had they, they'd have had a tough time getting near the house with our dogs on patrol - we live in the wilderness). I have our computer set up so that our town is not involved in the IP. I caution everybody I know to NOT post on Muslim sites - Muslims are not ethical. I've had them post disgusting lesbian pornography in response to legitimate questions. They are sick morally. Don't give anybody information on the internet - you never know who is watching. Even if a friend is responding to you, they might have an insecure message site from which a Mormon can gather info on you. This is what Apollos did. The internet is not the place to disclose personal information - because in the end, some Mormons (as we've even seen here) will use it against you. They are not operating on the same principles as Christians. I advise everybody to put those who are unethical on ignore, don't respond to their threads or posts. At this point I have Apollos (Sir) dogging me all over, but I won't give him the time of day and he will remain on ignore until the rapture! Believe me, if he can do it to me, he can do it to you as well.