Sandra Tanner Interview: "I came to Jesus through the Bible...and the Book of Mormon"

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Libby

Actually, there is solid evidence that Joseph did most of the things that people claim.

That is so true!

The things we have seen documented are enough to know what type of a real low-life guy he was...

Some people just need shooting....as did old horny Joe Smith if you ask me.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

Bait and switch. No Christian here mentions, Jupiter talisman of Joseph Smith jr. that I know of,

One anti-Joseph Smith person claimed that there is solid evidence that Joseph did most of the things that people claim.

In order to back that up, you will need to list ALL the accusations that people have been making against him, and then prove that the evidence supporting MOST of those accusations is solid.

Are you up to that task? Perhaps you don't really think it would be easy......and I would agree with you on that.

Some accusers are all talk, and little to no substance when they are asked to back up their claims.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

That is so true!

If you really thought so, perhaps you'd be inclined to back it up with solid evidence.

The things we have seen documented are enough to know what type of a real low-life guy he was...
Some people just need shooting....as did old horny Joe Smith if you ask me.

I bet people could be induced to make similar accusations against you.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

If you really thought so, perhaps you'd be inclined to back it up with solid evidence.



I bet people could be induced to make similar accusations against you.

Im thinking mostly of the skirts.....

and if you need to do basic homework on the Mormons, I suggest Walter Martin's book, THE KINGDOM OF THE CULTS for a start....and also the MAZE OF MORMONISM as well....

You will learn a lot, and be able to take pride in knowing your money went to a good cause.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

Bait and switch. No Christian here mentions, Jupiter talisman of Joseph Smith jr. that I know of, Now back to the looking gl***?

Joe used some type of magic stone or something like that I think.

I remember reading someplace that he had a stone that he carried......I think I saw a photo of it, but I willhave to look that up again on GOOGLE.

Im not sure he kept it in a hat however...LOL

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Libby

Yeah, because I think his polygamy with young girls was the most ****able thing he did. That was seriously awful, IMHO.

I think that the truth is that Mormonism was founded on the idea of cheating on your wife....

When I see Mormons, and stuff about the Mormon temple, I think its all about sex with other girls....thats basicly what im seeing being the goal....

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

I think that the truth is that Mormonism was founded on the idea of cheating on your wife....

When I see Mormons, and stuff about the Mormon temple, I think its all about sex with other girls....thats basicly what im seeing being the goal....

I have told the story of the black lady who came into my book store and wanted to buy a book of Mormon and the book of Doctrine by Brice R McConkie. I told her I could order to McConkie book but she could get a book of Mormon free from any missionary. She replied by telling me she wanted to buy both books because she wanted no outside influence from a missionary or Christian.
The rest of the story is long, but to cut to the chase. It was all about a older back man who wanted to take her to the LDS temple and have her seal to him, and later on some hanky panky

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

Im thinking mostly of the skirts.......

Antis seem to think about skirts a lot.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

But you said that "there is solid evidence that Joseph did most of the things that people claim."
I just mentioned one of those claims, and suggested that there is no solid evidence to support it (actually, there is solid evidence that refutes it) and now you're turning into Hillary when questioned about Benghazi ("What difference does it make?")

Oh, now you're really gonna tick me off, if you start in on Hillary! ;-)

I'm sure most Christians believe Joseph Smith's "occult" activities (if there were any) preclude him from being a prophet, but the biggies for me were, #1 polygamy, #2 Book of Mormon as an authentic antiquity, and #3 all of the rest of his "translations" and restorationist ideas, that have no foundation in reality, and thus make the church simply "not true".

Didn't you agree with the Nibley statement that if evidence was ever found of Smith being tried and convicted of "gl***-looking" it would be the most ****ing evidence against him?

No.

Thanks for that.

I try to be honest and real. I'm not perfect and I don't know everything (not even about Mormonism ;-) ).. I do see some errors posted, about the church, at times...or some things that may be "basically" true, but get sensationalized and ****n out of proportion.

But, the things that took me out of the church were important enough to warrant that extreme action, and they were things which have enough evidence, IMO, to be taken very seriously.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

I think that the truth is that Mormonism was founded on the idea of cheating on your wife....

When I see Mormons, and stuff about the Mormon temple, I think its all about sex with other girls....thats basicly what im seeing being the goal....

You know, the Temple really has nothing to do with sex. People do get married there, but they are covered from head to toe, including a veil on the woman, so no sex going on there! (I used to escort wedding parties to the sealing room, so I got to see a lot of weddings/sealings).

Most other ordinances have to do with...Christ...as the LDS perceive him.

[alanmolstad]

its the whole thing...the whole idea that Smith was into...

Smith came up with all kinds of reasons to allow him to cheat on his wife, and other Mormons over the years have also got swept up into this same idea of chasing skirts...

From my POV the Mormon temple is just another way to push this same idea....except its about doing the same dirt in the after-life tha'ts all....

But it's the same idea.

One of the questions I have been thinking of has to do with the mind-set of people in CULTS when they look around the world.
An example , when I would talk to my co-worker who is in the JWs he has confessed to be always looking at the bigger houses in the city that he might want to move into one day.
For according to JW teachings, the average JW does not go to Heaven, but rather is bound to the earth, but also according to him he will get his "pick" of all the homes left by the lost.

So he told me that sometimes he drives around with his wife and kids and shows them different houses that he asks if the kids would like to live there in the future?

In like manner, I have always questioned if Mormon men who work hard to get all their Temple stuff correct so that in the after life they get to have many wives, might also look at the women they know and think to themselves..."I will have her as a wife too"???

Im not sure, but if Smith was known to take the wife of another man, or younger and younger girls, that this might also be something that a Mormon man might not also think about doing ...now or in the after-life?.....

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by Libby

You know, the Temple really has nothing to do with sex. People do get married there, but they are covered from head to toe, including a veil on the woman, so no sex going on there! (I used to escort wedding parties to the sealing room, so I got to see a lot of weddings/sealings).

Most other ordinances have to do with...Christ...as the LDS perceive him.

OH, it has to do with sex alright. There are things going on in secret that we'll never know. I came across the spiritual sealing by accident. It is a sly way of getting under the skirts of someone other than your wife.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Libby

You know, the Temple really has nothing to do with sex. People do get married there, but they are covered from head to toe, including a veil on the woman, so no sex going on there! (I used to escort wedding parties to the sealing room, so I got to see a lot of weddings/sealings).
Most other ordinances have to do with...Christ...as the LDS perceive him.

Thank you for telling the truth to him about this. You may find, however, that he doesn't believe you.




Welcome to our world.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

OH, it has to do with sex alright. There are things going on in secret that we'll never know.

Do you see the Catch 22 that such paranoia can lead you to?

"I will never know about the evil stuff that they're secretly, doing....which is proof that they are doing it. So I will go around accusing them of doing it, because I have no way of knowing they're doing it."

"Cuckoo, cuckoo..."

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Do you see the Catch 22 that such paranoia can lead you to?

"I will never know about the evil stuff that they're secretly, doing....which is proof that they are doing it. So I will go around accusing them of doing it, because I have no way of knowing they're doing it."

"Cuckoo, cuckoo..."

We all hear rumors of all kinds about religious leaders of all strips. Having worked in and around the religious entertainment business, and different organizations from Catholic to main stream religions, and even mormonism.
Here is one for you, it was when I stepped into the Florida Boys, touring bus. I was shocked to see a bottle of Jim Beam on the table, and the old guy who wore the red sox offered my father a drink. I was very young at the time, but soon realized what you see on stage aint always what you see behind the stage. That goes for all walks of life.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

We all hear rumors of all kinds about religious leaders of all strips. Having worked in and around the religious entertainment business, and different organizations from Catholic to main stream religions, and even mormonism.
Here is one for you, it was when I stepped into the Florida Boys, touring bus. I was shocked to see a bottle of Jim Beam on the table, and the old guy who wore the red sox offered my father a drink. I was very young at the time, but soon realized what you see on stage aint always what you see behind the stage. That goes for all walks of life.

I'm sure that's very often true, especially in the entertainment business, but I've also had first hand experience of the LDS Temple (and you have not). My experience was not just as a participate, but as a Temple worker (in the L.A. Temple). I worked there as a receptionist (the ***le is a bit misleading), because my duties were varied and took me all over that very large Temple. I saw ever nook and cranny. I worked a 4 hour shift twice a week, doing things like playing guide for people coming into the baptistry, for wedding parties, for parents and children who came to be sealed to one another, as families. Guides were necessary, because this Temple is huge and it's very easy to lose your way. Sometimes I was stationed at the reception desk (with a priesthood holder) to greet people coming and going. I worked in the President's office, bundling the prayer requests and taking care of any other clerical needs. I even worked the cafeteria, at times! Anyway, I saw all and I know what goes on there, daily. It's really quite boring, compared to what some people "think" goes on there.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

its the whole thing...the whole idea that Smith was into...

Smith came up with all kinds of reasons to allow him to cheat on his wife, and other Mormons over the years have also got swept up into this same idea of chasing skirts...

From my POV the Mormon temple is just another way to push this same idea....except its about doing the same dirt in the after-life tha'ts all....

But it's the same idea.

One of the questions I have been thinking of has to do with the mind-set of people in CULTS when they look around the world.
An example , when I would talk to my co-worker who is in the JWs he has confessed to be always looking at the bigger houses in the city that he might want to move into one day.
For according to JW teachings, the average JW does not go to Heaven, but rather is bound to the earth, but also according to him he will get his "pick" of all the homes left by the lost.

So he told me that sometimes he drives around with his wife and kids and shows them different houses that he asks if the kids would like to live there in the future?

In like manner, I have always questioned if Mormon men who work hard to get all their Temple stuff correct so that in the after life they get to have many wives, might also look at the women they know and think to themselves..."I will have her as a wife too"???

Im not sure, but if Smith was known to take the wife of another man, or younger and younger girls, that this might also be something that a Mormon man might not also think about doing ...now or in the after-life?.....

I don't think you can judge based on what Joseph Smith did. Most of the LDS men I have ever known don't really even want to practice polygamy. I think the women were actually more open to it than the men (that I knew). Can you imagine actually living with more than one woman? I think that could be quite hairy.

Joseph didn't live with all of his wives, so he got benefits without a lot of h***le. Brigham DID live with many of them, although, not all, and I have read some very funny things about some of his experiences. At one point, he was so frustrated that he threatened to divorce all of them! So, what may sound like a great idea, in theory, wasn't as "cool", in reality, as it might sound.

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by Libby

I'm sure that's very often true, especially in the entertainment business, but I've also had first hand experience of the LDS Temple (and you have not). My experience was not just as a participate, but as a Temple worker (in the L.A. Temple). I worked there as a receptionist (the ***le is a bit misleading), because my duties were varied and took me all over that very large Temple. I saw ever nook and cranny. I worked a 4 hour shift twice a week, doing things like playing guide for people coming into the baptistry, for wedding parties, for parents and children who came to be sealed to one another, as families. Guides were necessary, because this Temple is huge and it's very easy to lose your way. Sometimes I was stationed at the reception desk (with a priesthood holder) to greet people coming and going. I worked in the President's office, bundling the prayer requests and taking care of any other clerical needs. I even worked the cafeteria, at times! Anyway, I saw all and I know what goes on there, daily. It's really quite boring, compared to what some people "think" goes on there.

OH, but I did have (first hand experience) of the secret sealing that takes place in the temple. Remember LDSinc. is a man's world. It is totally control by men.
The secret sealing of women to a priest holder male who are not related is done in the temple.
Like i said, it is just another way for a man to convince a woman he is not married to, to have sex.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

OH, but I did have (first hand experience) of the secret sealing that takes place in the temple. Remember LDSinc. is a man's world. It is totally control by men.
The secret sealing of women to a priest holder male who are not related is done in the temple.
Like i said, it is just another way for a man to convince a woman he is not married to, to have sex.

How is it that you (a non-LDS) had first hand experience of a "secret sealing"?

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by Libby

How is it that you (a non-LDS) had first hand experience of a "secret sealing"?

Like I said, the young woman who was approached by the older priest holder to have her sealed to him in a spiritual wedding at the temple was for the sol purpose of eventually having sex. It goes like this, spiritually sealing, ie spiritually married here on earth, but then after seeing the benefit of this arraignment, hey lets go ahead and consummate the deal.
The young lady who came into my book store to order the two mormon books said she thought it would only take a few minutes, but two hours later left the store crying.
She told me later that she wasn't even thinking about coming into the store, but said something told her to turn around and come in.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

We all hear rumors of all kinds about religious leaders of all strips. Having worked in and around the religious entertainment business, and different organizations from Catholic to main stream religions, and even mormonism.
Here is one for you, it was when I stepped into the Florida Boys, touring bus. I was shocked to see a bottle of Jim Beam on the table, and the old guy who wore the red sox offered my father a drink. I was very young at the time, but soon realized what you see on stage aint always what you see behind the stage. That goes for all walks of life.

No one here is saying that there aren't a lot of rumors. Some of them probably are based on actual facts. The temptation you need to resist, however, is the temptation to ***ume that the more shocking a rumor is, the likelier it is to be true. In my experience, it's the opposite. I have heard some really horrid rumors about other churches and famous people, and more often than not, the most outrageous ones weren't true. Such as the Richard Gere gerbil rumor. Or rumors about satanic rituals being done by the Catholic church or the Masons. I don't think Jesus wants us to believe and maliciously spread scurrilous gossip about other people and groups.

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

No one here is saying that there aren't a lot of rumors. Some of them probably are based on actual facts. The temptation you need to resist, however, is the temptation to ***ume that the more shocking a rumor is, the likelier it is to be true. In my experience, it's the opposite. I have heard some really horrid rumors about other churches and famous people, and more often than not, the most outrageous ones weren't true. Such as the Richard Gere gerbil rumor. Or rumors about satanic rituals being done by the Catholic church or the Masons. I don't think Jesus wants us to believe and maliciously spread scurrilous gossip about other people and groups.

Your are correct Jesus of the Holy bible doesn't want us chasing after rumors, but on the other hand He doesn't want us putting our heads in the sand either.
What, you mean the story about Richard Gere, aint true? I am shocked! lol

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

Your are correct Jesus of the Holy bible doesn't want us chasing after rumors, but on the other hand He doesn't want us putting our heads in the sand either.
What, you mean the story about Richard Gere, aint true? I am shocked! lol

Reportedly, Stallone (I think it was) jokingly started it when he was mad at Gere for something.

Which actually teaches a great lesson: It is possible for someone to start a false, slanderous rumor about someone, and for that rumor to end up, years later, being believed by thousands of people.

Now think about that the next time you slander Joseph Smith because of some rumor that some hater said about him 180 years ago.

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Reportedly, Stallone (I think it was) jokingly started it when he was mad at Gere for something.

Which actually teaches a great lesson: It is possible for someone to start a false, slanderous rumor about someone, and for that rumor to end up, years later, being believed by thousands of people.

Now think about that the next time you slander Joseph Smith because of some rumor that some hater said about him 180 years ago.

Richard Gere, kind of reminds me of Tom Cruise, both are a little full of themself's and are easy targets by other actors and comedians. Remember the South Park guys, they did the same to Tom with the gerbils, that was funny too.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

I came across the spiritual sealing by accident. It is a sly way of getting under the skirts of someone other than your wife.

I would like to hear more about this "spiritual sealing"