Originally Posted by
The Doctor
I have no need to defend a religion. When attacks against an enemy are misguided/ misdirected/ and inaccurate, not much of a defense needs to be made.
I do not consider you as my enemy, You may believe conversely, but that is your issue, not mine. It is my intention to treat your person with dignity and respect.
Why would theology need to be reformed if it was always here and Jesus would never let any harm come to His church?
The capital letter makes it a proper noun. Therefore it is a ***le.
Oddly enough, you are about to tell me about how I am supposed to "merit" the grace of Jesus in 3...2...1...
Not really, the grace of Jesus is ALWAYS free and unmerited. That is a primary difference between Christian theology and Mormon thought.
So by refusing to accept Jesus and refusing to renounce what Joseph Smith says, we are volunteering to Heaven? Interesting comment.
I did not say that originally, it is a paraphrase of what Jesus said.
John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works
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Therefore your argument is with Jesus, not me.
You really think that because of what you wrote above that God will hold someone without excuse for not believing you? That is pretty narcissistic. But your attempt at claiming that Mormons are without Jesus Christ and do not lace their faith in Him is miserable. Mormons believe in Jesus and believe it is through Him that we find salvation. Because you cannot reconcile this with your proclivity of attacking Mormons and claiming they are Hellbound, your only resort is to try and rationalize away Mormon beliefs and to make false claims about their devotion to Jesus and to claim they have the "wrong Jesus". It's the only place an Anti-Mormon can go when backed into that corner.
STOP MAKING A PSYCHOLOGICAL DIAGNOSIS OVER THE INTERNET! You are not qualified to do so, and if you were qualified, you would know it is unethical, and grounds for referral to licensing jurisdictions.
Your mormon jesus christ is a parody of the Jesus Christ Who is found in the Bible ALONE. The jesus christ did not come from a virgin, but from a swinger and a *****. After the "father' raped Mary (actually pedophilia) he then turned her over to Joseph as a used woman so that Joseph could mary a *****, and then be with a swinger. that nonsense is more from the FLDS manual than from God's holy Bible.
this is a laugh, : " it is through Him that we find salvation" because your BoM tells us in plain words that grace ONLY comes "after all that you can do"
The usage of ad homs and false logic are the marks of one who is backed into a corner: " It's the only place an Anti-Mormon can go when backed into that corner" Cease doing that, or else the moderators will deal with such things.
Originally Posted by
The Doctor
Really? The choice to be saved and to accept Jesus is mine ALONE? God doesn't not have to draw me to Him? The Holy Spirit does not have to lead me to that decision? That's an odd statement since almost every other Anti-Mormon Evangelical has told us that, being dead in our sins we CANNOT choose God on our own. But your charge for Mormons to choose Jesus is misdirected anyhow, since they have already done so. Which leads you back to having to resort to cries of "But your Jesus is the wrong Jesus" and that unless Mormons believe the way YOU believe they are Hellbound.
That Holy Spirit draws the child to accepting faith in Jesus Christ is true; and that God gives us free will to accept what Jesus Christ did at Calvary and the Atonement as sufficient is also true. But there is a gap miles wide from knowledge that Jesus came on Earth, and accepting Him as your ONLY savior, free from any encumbrances of merit.
You cannot get clearer than this:
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***us 3: 3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life
Why should ANYONE believe Joseph Smith?
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