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    The best reason not to take Genesis literally is primarily due to it being unsupported by science.

    Now for Christians ,it's important to know that all scientific discovery has a spiritual component.

    The earth orbiting the sun ,rather than the other way around is still inspiring and still testifies to God's creative powers.

    Genesis was never meant to be a factual account of creation but rather a statement of belief to compete with the other creation stories in the area .. The same kind of beliefs found in various governments stating what they generally believe and advocate.

    Like the words of the cons***ution .. Life liberty pursuit of happiness and so on.. blah blah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christodoulos View Post
    The best reason not to take Genesis literally is primarily due to it being unsupported by science.

    Now for Christians ,it's important to know that all scientific discovery has a spiritual component.

    The earth orbiting the sun ,rather than the other way around is still inspiring and still testifies to God's creative powers.

    Genesis was never meant to be a factual account of creation but rather a statement of belief to compete with the other creation stories in the area .. The same kind of beliefs found in various governments stating what they generally believe and advocate.

    Like the words of the cons***ution .. Life liberty pursuit of happiness and so on.. blah blah
    Gen 1 was written from an ancient cosmology POV; I haven't checked out all the details yet, but here are 2 articles I found on the subj, and it looks very reasonable, makes lots of sense.
    http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/seelypt1.pdf
    http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/seelypt2.pdf
    It talks about how the ancients thought the sky was a solid ceiling. Very eye-opening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdidymas View Post
    Gen 1 was written from an ancient cosmology POV; I haven't checked out all the details yet, but here are 2 articles I found on the subj, and it looks very reasonable, makes lots of sense.
    http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/seelypt1.pdf
    http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/seelypt2.pdf
    It talks about how the ancients thought the sky was a solid ceiling. Very eye-opening.
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    And that's why it's called the FIRMAment in the bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christodoulos View Post
    And that's why it's called the FIRMAment in the bible.
    In all fairness, here is a link to an opposing argument:
    https://answersingenesis.org/astrono...-a-solid-dome/
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    My own view on the issue is that while Genesis is not a book teaching science, it none the less tells a religious story that works within the teachings of science and evolution.

    We don't find evolution taught in the story of Genesis, but then again, we don't find any anti-evolution arguments in the story as well.

    So in the end, I maintain that evolution and Genesis are like friendly neighbors, in that each is their own property yet they get along with their neighbor and together form a very nice relationship in the heart of the believer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdidymas View Post
    In all fairness, here is a link to an opposing argument:
    https://answersingenesis.org/astrono...-a-solid-dome/
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    answers in genesis is not an opposing argument but a major swindle.

    There are no answers in 'Answers in Genesis" all it is ,is a clever attempt to trick the vastly gullible among the fundy crowd.

    You can't discuss science with a Genesis literalist without demeaning the Christian Faith.

    This was a serious problem, that goes back to the time of Augustine in the 5th. century.He answered the controversy then; but those who exploit the naive for bucks will still find a way to revive the controversy.

    Ken Ham has made a huge fortune doing exactly that in his incredibly deceptive museum and hs ridiculous answers in genesis comic book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christodoulos View Post
    answers in genesis is not an opposing argument but a major swindle.

    There are no answers in 'Answers in Genesis" all it is ,is a clever attempt to trick the vastly gullible among the fundy crowd.

    You can't discuss science with a Genesis literalist without demeaning the Christian Faith.

    This was a serious problem, that goes back to the time of Augustine in the 5th. century.He answered the controversy then; but those who exploit the naive for bucks will still find a way to revive the controversy.

    Ken Ham has made a huge fortune doing exactly that in his incredibly deceptive museum and hs ridiculous answers in genesis comic book.



    It's a shame that you can't provide any proof of your claims/slander against Ken Ham. How long will you keep this campaign of slander going ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    My own view on the issue is that while Genesis is not a book teaching science, it none the less tells a religious story that works within the teachings of science and evolution.

    We don't find evolution taught in the story of Genesis, but then again, we don't find any anti-evolution arguments in the story as well.

    So in the end, I maintain that evolution and Genesis are like friendly neighbors, in that each is their own property yet they get along with their neighbor and together form a very nice relationship in the heart of the believer.
    you may be on to something. All the more reason to fight the swindlers in the Answersingenesis crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheachea View Post
    It's a shame that you can't provide any proof of your claims/slander against Ken Ham. How long will you keep this campaign of slander going ?
    I attendedan 8-week cl*** taught by Mr Ham.....
    It was about as pointless way to spend time as you can get...

    But I will never have to people tell me that I dont know the truth about Ham's teachings...cuz i have heard them from Ham himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christodoulos View Post
    The best reason not to take Genesis literally is primarily due to it being unsupported by science.

    Now for Christians ,it's important to know that all scientific discovery has a spiritual component.

    We do not need science to support creation. It was a one time supernatural event not a natural one.
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    Evolution is true.

    Young Earth Creationism is false.


    (Just thought it needed to be said once in a while)

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    Evolution is true.


    Macroevolution is a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jude1:3 View Post
    Macroevolution is a lie.
    Young Earth Creationism is a lie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    Young Earth Creationism is a lie...


    Ok, they're both a lie.

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    Young Earth Creationism is a dreamed-up idea by people that don't understand the bible...

    evolution is a idea that works within the Genesis text.


    Thats the difference.
    Creationism is false...its a false idea that never was true.

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    *Creationism - the belief that the universe and living organisms originate from specific acts of divine creation, as in the biblical account, rather than by natural processes such as evolution.




    So You Don't Believe The Bible, but you do believe the lie that is evolution.

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    Wrong.....

    YOUNG EARTH creationism is not in the bible....YEC is a lie .

    Evolution works hand in hand with the Genesis story.

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    science and Evolution work hand in hand with the Genesis story.

    What is the first things the Bible says were created?...The answer is that in the beginning God created "the heavens and the earth"
    This fits within the teachings of science.

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    In Young Earth Creationism (YEC), they have to invent a "source-less" light.

    But the Bible tells us the source for all the Light talked about on the first day and the forth day...the source is "the heavens"

    So there is a source for all the Light.
    It's the same source we see today for all the lights we see.
    The Bible's source (the heavens) in in complete agreement with Scirnce.

    YEC has no source, ....YEC goes against the bible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    Young Earth Creationism is a dreamed-up idea by people that don't understand the bible...

    evolution is a idea that works within the Genesis text.


    Thats the difference.
    Creationism is false...its a false idea that never was true.
    So Creationism is false? How about the 4th commandment, false also?

    “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.” Ex. 20:8-11

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    Quote Originally Posted by disciple View Post
    So Creationism is false?
    Yes,....

    Young Earth Creationism is a dreamed up idea by people who strayed away from the Text and needed ways to force the Text agree with their preconceived ideas of what the Bible "should" have said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disciple View Post
    How about the 4th commandment, false also?
    The Commandmenets are real because they are really in the Text.

    Young Earth creationism is false because it does not actually appear in the text.

    Thats the difference....





    One is real...the other is fake.

    One is in the Bible and you can quote where its appears.
    The other is not in the Bible and you cant quote where its at.



    So what Im saying is that we need to stick to what the Bible teaches, and get rid of this junk known as Young Earth Creationism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    Yes,....

    Young Earth Creationism is a dreamed up idea by people who strayed away from the Text and needed ways to force the Text agree with their preconceived ideas of what the Bible "should" have said.
    The forth commandment isn't dreamed up, it has always said what God intended it to say, He created everything in six days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disciple View Post
    The forth commandment isn't dreamed up,.
    again...the Commandments are real...because they are in the bible....(That's why you can quote them)

    Young Earth Creationism is fake...its a dreamed up teaching that is not in the Bible..(Thats why you cant quote a verse that supports it)

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    Young earth creationism hangs everything on one idea.....the 'sourceless light"


    The mixed-up way the YEC teachers read the Bible they have God creating light before he makes the sun....
    This is a problem ....

    You cant have a light without a source so the YEC teachers have come up with all kinds of different ways to have a light without a source for that light...
    and all of this is a dreamed up idea that is not actually taught in the Bible...



    what is taught in the Bible?
    The answer is that the Bible teaches us that god created the "source' for all the light right at the beginning..


    So there is no need to dream up a 'source-less" light?......yes, there is no need to worry that god made a light without a source. God's word teaches that god made the source for the light first!






    this shows us that all of Young Earth Creationism is a lie....for its foundation is not based on what the text says...

    We need to believe the Bible not men's ideas!!!!!!!

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