Calvin- Luther

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

I have heard that there is a growing movement at this time within the catholic Bishops to simply go against the current leadership and demand a sweeping house cleaning to remove not only the people hurting chidren, but also kick out all of the people that closed their eyes, or actually worked to keep the secrets....

the name of Hans Küng http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-abuse-penance has come up in a few places as perhaps someone like Luther that might kickstart the movement to help cut the head off the snake.


My main point in this is that there really is only one thing the catholic church has been shown to be good at in the last few generations, and that is protecting the secret that their own Priests are the source of the most disgusting of sins known to mankind.

from the top of the church to the bottom, we have seen nothing but proof that the Catholic church is very good at allowing their priests to use children sexually, and then working hard for years upon years so that even if the Priest is reported no justice it the result.
Even to this very hour we still see people inside the Catholic church working to put the best face on the known sin going on inside the church.

When the topic comes up how many times have i heard the defenders of priests who molest children turn around and rather than admitting there is a serious problem that is systemic to the churche's leadership, instead try to point to the sins of others in an effort to minimize the "looks" of their own sins...

(In other words, rather than working to bring an end to Catholic priests molesting children, the misguided supporters of such Catholic priests will only work hard to be part of the cover-up, or to point to Jim Bakker, and Jimmy Swaggart)

The corruption of the catholic church drips down and contaminates even the people sitting in church.
You do not accidentally end up taking part in the general conspiracy (common in the church membership) to look the other way when little children are being abused, you have to make a conscious decision to be part of it.

it's a moral choice...

You have to willingly put aside what you know is the right thing to do, and take upon yourself the yoke of denial...

This is how you end up with a Church that for the past few generations has really accomplished nothing except becoming good at moving molesters from one church to the next, thus allowing the abuse to continue.
It really is a systemic problem that is not just part of the church's past, but the sad fact is, that this is still with us to this very day.

And given latest well-known court case that still shows the reluctance of the church to identify known perpetrators, pedophilia will likely be all the Catholic church is commonly known for into the future as well...

[Christodoulos]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

The corruption of the catholic church drips down and contaminates even the people sitting in church.
You do not accidentally end up taking part in the general conspiracy (common in the church membership) to look the other way when little children are being abused, you have to make a conscious decision to be part of it.

it's a moral choice...

You have to willingly put aside what you know is the right thing to do, and take upon yourself the yoke of denial...

This is how you end up with a Church that for the past few generations has really accomplished nothing except becoming good at moving molesters from one church to the next, thus allowing the abuse to continue.
It really is a systemic problem that is not just part of the church's past, but the sad fact is, that this is still with us to this very day.

And given latest well-known court case that still shows the reluctance of the church to identify known perpetrators, pedophilia will likely be all the Catholic church is commonly known for into the future as well...

Unfortunately everything you stated is false.

If true I would totally agree. The membership is not putting up with this scandal ;given the numbers which have defected.

You need to face reality to see that this problem is systemic among all denominations . The Cath are the biggest target .

And I would agree ,they claim a higher morality ,which is why they appear as bad and black as the media makes them out to be. You mention ,cover up. Which church does NOT engage in cover ups?

read about the scandal going on right now in the 7 day adventist church.

reads like something right out of the Vatican .. you need to get real and face the cold reality of daylight.