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    When Jesus commanded Lazarus to rise from the dead, how did he obey that command? John 11:43 says, “Jesus cried out with a loud voice, ‘Lazarus, come forth!’” That was a command to a dead man. The next verse says, “He who had died came forth, bound hand and foot with wrappings.”

    How did Lazarus do that? How does a dead man obey a command to live again?

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    they that are dead, yet live...they that are alive shall never die.

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    In a way this gives us a small hint what the final resurrection will be like for each of us.
    We shall be dead, and yet we shall hear the call to rise.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    In a way this gives us a small hint what the final resurrection will be like for each of us.
    We shall be dead, and yet we shall hear the call to rise.....
    The command of God, “Rise from the dead!” carries in it the power we need to obey it. Obedience to the command means living, ignoring the command means staying dead.
    In Ephesians 5:14, Paul says, “Awake, O sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” How do you obey a command to wake up from sleep? If your house has carbon monoxide in it and someone cries out, “Wake up! Save yourself! Get out!” you don’t obey by waking yourself up. The loud, powerful command itself wakes you up. You obey by doing what wakeful people do in the face of danger. You get up and leave the house. The call creates the waking. You respond in the power of what the call created or again you choose to ignore the call and die.

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    Ephesians 5:14, Paul says, “Awake, O sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”


    On a sidenote:
    Paul is clearly quoting something here in this verse, but no one today knows for sure what he is quoting?


    Paul's wording suggests that the first readers of this verse must have known what Paul was quoting.
    The way the words are listed seem to give the idea that this was a common phrase.
    But its not a quote of Scripture.

    Some suggest its a quote of a song, or of non-bible writings.
    That could be.
    When I read it it sure does seem to be written as if it were part of a song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    In a way this gives us a small hint what the final resurrection will be like for each of us.
    We shall be dead, and yet we shall hear the call to rise.....
    Likable point here.

    As to "how" do the dead hear? The same.


    “, , having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit” (I Pet 3:18)

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    see.....the living perceive that there is a huge difference between the living and the dead....that's why the living say of the dead, "The dead know nothing"

    But to the Lord, the dead are alive, just as much as the living.
    There is no issue with hearing....they hear the Lord speak because that is what alive people do...

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    He is referring to salvation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disciple View Post
    When Jesus commanded Lazarus to rise from the dead, how did he obey that command? John 11:43 says, “Jesus cried out with a loud voice, ‘Lazarus, come forth!’” That was a command to a dead man. The next verse says, “He who had died came forth, bound hand and foot with wrappings.”

    How did Lazarus do that? How does a dead man obey a command to live again?
    Explain how God said "Light be!" And from nothing light came into being. And you'll have your answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxon View Post
    He is referring to salvation.
    Messianic Rabbi Larry Feldman brilliantly distinguished the difference between resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) and restoration to the old life from the dead (as was the case with Lazarus and all the biblical raisings from the dead). They all had to die again. Jesus is the only resurrected man until the general resurrection (Revelation 20).

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    He isn't speaking of physical death, but spiritual sleep and dead in sins.

    Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disciple View Post
    How does a dead man obey a command to live again?
    Admittedly, my use of the ref in post six is split down the middle for context. So, both the OP question and my misalignment has more in common with Martha’s doubt (Jn11:39) than the belief Jesus then mentions that put a dead man on his feet.

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