Quote Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
Is that anything unlike this verse?

1 Peter 3:20-22---King James Version (KJV)
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

So--the question remains--is that reference to "faith" in Luke 7 a reference to dead faith--or a faith with works?

James 2:20---King James Version (KJV)
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Quote Originally Posted by disciple View Post
Hi DB,

No one disagrees with what James is saying, that faith without works is dead. It’s obvious that if one talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk something is amiss. But works play no part in being born again,
Hi Disciple:

Then that is an admission dead faith saves one, and that is what faith alone preaches--a faith without works for salvation.

How does that compare with the testimony of the Savior?


John 5:28-29--King James Version (KJV)
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of ****ation.

obedience and true works for God are the result of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Again--the faith alone theology runs into some serious flaws in that conclusion--if the testimony of the Biblical text can be believed:


Acts 5:32---King James Version (KJV)
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Men have no desire to submit to God’s authority or do any work for Him, nor can they.
Then you believe the testimony of the scriptures is false?

Revelation 22:14---King James Version (KJV)
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.” John 15:5
The work of lost men is not to please God or a step towards salvation.[/quote]

Then you believe these did not take a step toward salvation?

Acts 2:38-42King James Version (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

“And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled.” Col 1:21

Our works do not give God reason to save us. We are justified and reconciled by His blood and death.
And do the scriptures not testify this Blood goes to them that walk in His light?

1 John 1:7----King James Version (KJV)
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.