One is saved through dead faith?

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Christian

How many books of RevelationS [COLOR=#0000ff]are IN your Bible?

All the books of the Bible are books of revelation--including this one:

James 2:20----King James Version (KJV)
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

[Christian]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

All the books of the Bible are books of revelation--including this one:

James 2:20----King James Version (KJV)
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

And the TRUTH remains:

Text without CONTEXT is PRETEXT. That is all you have. . .PRETEXT.

So you think people are saved through dead faith?

You can do all the good works that the muslims and atheists do and still go to hell, But

Heb 11:5-6
5 By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, "and was not found, because God had taken him"; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
NKJV

And THAT FAITH pleases God. Works ALWAYS FOLLOW. IF you have faith (and are thus in God's Favor{in other words, saved}) YOU WILL LIVE ACCORDINGLY.

But you can do all the good works that the muslims and atheists do (feed the hungry in Syria, provide hospitals in Nepal, etc) and still go to Hell.

NOBODY comes to the Father except through Jesus Christ.

John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
NKJV

And if you are following a christ that is related to satan, you are going to end up in a VERY BAD PLACE for eternity!

1 Cor 6:9-11
Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor ****sexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

You follow a false religion. A 'christ' your religion claims that is a 'spirit brother' of the demon satan.

He is CLEARLY NOT the Jesus Christ of the Bible. Nobody who is not YOUR PARTICULAR VARIETY of mormonism believes he is.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View PostAll the books of the Bible are books of revelation--including this one:

James 2:20----King James Version (KJV)
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Originally Posted by Christian

[COLOR=#0000cd]And the TRUTH remains:

Text without CONTEXT is PRETEXT. That is all you have. . .PRETEXT.

What I have is the Biblical testimony. Could you explain for us what is there about James2:24 you don't believe is Biblical?

When you find the term "faith" in the Bible--do you believe it is a reference to a faith with works--or a faith without works?

So you think people are saved through dead faith?

No. But you and the faith alone preach a salvation through a faith without works(dead faith).

If you disagree--please list what works you add to faith in salvation?

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post All the books of the Bible are books of revelation--including this one:

James 2:20----King James Version (KJV)
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Originally Posted by Christian View Post [COLOR=#0000cd]And the TRUTH remains:

Text without CONTEXT is PRETEXT. That is all you have. . .PRETEXT.

What I have is the Biblical testimony. Could you explain for us what is there about James2:24 you don't believe is Biblical?

When you find the term "faith" in the Bible--do you believe it is a reference to a faith with works--or a faith without works?

So you think people are saved through dead faith?

No. But you and the faith alone preach a salvation through a faith without works(dead faith).

If you disagree--please list what works you add to faith in salvation?

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Anyone?

[Christian]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Question for the board here--when one finds the term "faith" in the scriptures--do they ***ume it is a reference to dead faith?

James 2:20----King James Version (KJV)
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

So are YOUR works what saves you? JESUS saved me. I do works too, but not to 'get saved.'

SPECIFICALLY what 'works' did YOU do to get saved? Or is YOUR FAITH DEAD?

In the JESUS OF THE BIBLE, Faith ALWAYS RESULTS IN CHRISTIANS DOING GOOD WORKS (Ephesians 2:10, etc)

NOT to 'get' saved, but BECAUSE WE HAVE FAITH AND ARE SAVED.

Once again, what did YOU do to 'GET' saved? HOW DID YOU SAVE YOURSELF?

[Berean]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Question for the board here--when one finds the term "faith" in the scriptures--do they ***ume it is a reference to dead faith?

James 2:20----King James Version (KJV)
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

This appears to be an obsession.

By taking these verses out of context and affording them your own interpretation, you have created a false dilemma.

Your problem is obvious. You have never performed a proper exegesis of these and other verses, nor do you acknowledge when others take the time to do that for you. Perhaps if you did a little research, you might realize that your interpretation is clearly wrong. These and a few others are the ONLY Scriptures you ever use, while completely ignoring the Scriptures and their interpretation, which provide the context for a proper exegesis. You consistently ignore any verses or explanation that proves you wrong, and point back to these which only seem to prove you right, but in fact only demonstrate a clear misunderstanding of the Gospel of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

[Berean]

Christian..

the reason some focus on these few verses is because they don't want to face the fact that their own religion essentially makes it impossible for them to be saved. So they try to make it difficult for us by presenting false dilemmas for Christians by using Scriptures taken out of context.

Let it be known that Mormons define "salvation, grace and atonement" much differently than Christians

Also consider that Mormonism teaches that Jesus earned his position based on obedience. As Seventy Milton R. Hunter taught,

Jesus became a God and reached His great state of understanding through consistent effort and continuous obedience to all the Gospel truths and universal laws (The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 51).

"Today and forevermore God’s grace is available to all whose hearts are broken and whose spirits are contrite.

On Easter Sunday we celebrate the most long-awaited and glorious event in the history of the world. It is the day that changed everything. On that day, my life changed. Your life changed. The destiny of all God’s children changed. On that blessed day, the Savior of mankind, who had taken upon Himself the chains of sin and death that held us captive, burst those chains and set us free. Because of the sacrifice of our beloved Redeemer, death has no sting, the grave has no victory, Satan has no lasting power, and we are “begotten … again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Truly, the Apostle Paul was correct when he said we can “comfort one another with these words. We often speak of the Saviors Atonement, and rightly so.” (“The Gift of Grace” as delivered by Dieter F. Uchtdorf on Easter morning April 5, 2015)

According to Mormonism, everyone born on this earth gets resurrected, which is called general salvation or salvation by grace. But Mormons, in order to receive “remission of individual sins” and the inheritance of “exaltation in the kingdom of God,” it is necessary to have complete and absolute “obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.” This means they must achieve "godliness," becoming absolutely and completely sinless, all on their own, and in this lifetime. (Moroni 10:32; Alma 11:37; 34, 2 Ne 25:23).

Joseph Fielding Smith said:

"The atonement of Jesus Christ is of a twofold nature. Because of it, all men are redeemed from mortal death and the grave, and will rise in the resurrection to immortality of the soul. Then again, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel, man will receive remission of individual sins, through the blood of Christ, and will inherit exaltation in the kingdom of God, which is eternal life." (Doctrines of Salvation 1:123).

Seventy Gerald N. Lund explained,

"The atonement of Christ overcame physical death through the Resurrection. This is salvation by grace because it comes to all men automatically and does not depend on what kinds of lives they have lived. But, if we wish to overcome spiritual death and enter back into God’s presence, we must be obedient to laws and principles. This is exaltation by works. Thus, according to this explanation, we are saved by grace and exalted by works"(“Salvation: By Grace or by Works?” Ensign, April 1981, p. 18.).

Mormons are quick to point to Bible verses that tell us we must keep the commandments as the only means of redemption, but the basic Christian teaching of Free Grace Theology by contrast, is responding to the “call to believe” in Jesus Christ through faith alone, and that is all that is necessary to receive total forgiveness of all sins, past, present and future and eternal life in God's Presence.