Eternal ****ation

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post Hi Hogan:

Pauls' message would have been the same for Lydia:

Romans 2:5-11---King James Version (KJV)
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Originally Posted by hogan60

Lydia was a Jew. A devout God worshiper.

So was Paul. So were all the NT writers.

[hogan60]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

So was Paul. So were all the NT writers.

What did Paul have that Lydia and Cornelius not have? The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Religion does not save anyone. Obedience to laws, ordinances, church rules cannot save. The only thing that can save us is Christ's atoning work on the cross. Its not what WE do, but what Christ did,

1 John 5:11-12: "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

The above is a promise of God of salvation through the Son and our ***urance of that salvation. Does God ever lie?

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by hogan60

What did Paul have that Lydia and Cornelius not have? The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Religion does not save anyone. Obedience to laws, ordinances, church rules cannot save. The only thing that can save us is Christ's atoning work on the cross. Its not what WE do, but what Christ did,

It's both--as the scriptures testify to:

Matthew 7:19-21---King James Version (KJV)
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

A covenant is an agreement between two or more parties--not just a single party.

Where do you see God being judged here for His works--and that for life or ****ation?

John 5:28-29----King James Version (KJV)
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of ****ation.

That testifies all will be judged according to works--after death--and that for life or ****ation.

How do you fit that into faith alone theology?

How does that differ from other testimonies?

2 Corinthians 5:10---King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

[hogan60]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

2 Corinthians 5:10---King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Cor. 5:10, note Paul uses the word "we". He is including himself. He's talking about born again Believers appearing before Christ to be judged on types of rewards. Has nothing to do with one's salvation.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by hogan60

2 Cor. 5:10, note Paul uses the word "we". He is including himself. He's talking about born again Believers appearing before Christ to be judged on types of rewards.

Hi Hogan:

I agree--and what those rewards are were defined by Christ Himself:

John 5:28-29--King James Version (KJV)
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of ****ation.

Has nothing to do with one's salvation.

I believe "life" has a lot to do with salvation.