Religion built upon a god who failed.

[Christian]

Wouldn't that mean that GOD FAILED in setting up HIS CHURCH 2,000 years ago?

Wouldn't that ALSO MEAN that GOD FAILED to understand that the Apostles would all die?

Did GOD FAIL to set up a system in which HIS WORD, THE SCRIPTURES would remain intact?

What kind of stupid LITTLE god would do those things?

Oh yes, the MORMON god. . .

Why would God need to 'restore' Christ's church?

Joseph smith's whole religion is built upon a god who failed. . .

WHY should we believe their religion at all?

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Christian

What kind of stupid LITTLE god would do those things?

Must be the Protestant god, because God didn't fail.

[Christian]

Originally Posted by Erundur

Must be the Protestant god, because God didn't fail.

CHRIST'S God didn't fail.

CHRIST'S CHURCH didn't fail.

Mormonism is built upon a lie when it claims it did.

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Christian

CHRIST'S God didn't fail.

That's what I said.

[Christian]

Originally Posted by Erundur

That's what I said.

No 'protestant' anything there. No 'protestant God.' Simply GOD.

I am a CHRISTIAN, not a 'protestant,' btw.

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Christian

No 'protestant' anything there. No 'protestant God.'

Yes, I know the Protestant god doesn't exist. Protestants believe he does, though.

[Christian]

Originally Posted by Erundur

Yes, I know the Protestant god doesn't exist. Protestants believe he does, though.

Your imaginary 'protestant god' is the same god as your imaginary 'mormon god.' Your imagination makes you look ignorant. The God of the Bible is alive and well and living in Every Christian everywhere. Too bad mormons, white suprememcists and other cultists are left out. . .

The Christian God is not a man who 'exalted himself' and made himself into a god like the mormon gods supposedly are. And no, you cannot become one.

You can obey all the rules and 'ordinances' you wish, but since you follow the wrong christ, all of your 'ordinance-keeping' is for naught!

In other words,your religion has Nothing to offer anyone in relationship to the True God.

We Christians will continue to pray for your lost souls.

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Christian

Your imaginary 'protestant god' is the same god as your imaginary 'mormon god.'

Then why do Protestants insist that they're different?

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Erundur

Then why do Protestants insist that they're different?

The God of the Catholic and Protestant believer is real...its the true God of the Bible.

However everything even slightly connected to Mormonism is tainted and false.
So not only is Joe Smith's teachings on his god false, all his point of views on Christian denominations is also tainted and false.

So that is why you cant really ask a Mormon "What type of God do Catholics and Protestants believe in?", as they get their answers from the tainted source of Smith's invented ideas about the Catholic and Protestant churches.




So to review:
The god of Smith was just a bunch of silly ideas that Smith came up with on his own that tended to slant his other teachings into supporting his authority over other people who put their trust in him, as well as giving him a means to share the affections of other women besides his own wife.



and that's why they shot him.....

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

The God of the Catholic and Protestant believer is real...its the true God of the Bible.

Weird. They keep telling me they're different; now you're telling me they're the same.

[MickeyS]

Originally Posted by Erundur

Weird. They keep telling me they're different; now you're telling me they're the same.

Yeah, Chris and Alan don't agree on this, there are a few things they see differently, which is fine, you just need to pay attention to who you're addressing.

[Christian]

Originally Posted by Erundur

Then why do Protestants insist that they're different?

Why do the 150+ mormon sub-religions insist they are different?

What makes you think CHRISTIAN groups 'think that they are different,' and HOW do you think they think that?

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Christian

Why do the 150+ mormon sub-religions insist they are different?

As far as I know, they don't.

What makes you think CHRISTIAN groups 'think that they are different,'

We don't, of course. It's the Protestant groups that do.

[Christian]

erunder posted:

Originally Posted by Christian [IMG]http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/images/****ons/viewpost-right.png[/IMG]
Why do the 150+ mormon sub-religions insist they are different?

As far as I know, they don't.

You don't think they left smith's religion for some specific reason that makes each of them 'different?'

Or

You don't think they ever existed? Which is it that you think?

What makes you think CHRISTIAN groups 'think that they are different,'

We don't, of course. It's the Protestant groups that do.

If you don't think they are different than you, why are you not part of them?

[Christian]

erunder posted:

Originally Posted by Christian [IMG]http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/images/****ons/viewpost-right.png[/IMG]
Why do the 150+ mormon sub-religions insist they are different?

As far as I know, they don't.

Oh? Then the UTAH mormons AND the STRANGITES are BOTH the original church smith invented?
I didn't know that. . .

What makes you think CHRISTIAN groups 'think that they are different,'

We don't, of course. It's the Protestant groups that do.

And where is this 'protestant' religion located? WHO is its prime leader?

CHRISTIANS all consider that we are 'different parts of the same FAITH'.

I guess your 150+ mormon groups don't believe that of yourselves, do you? EACH ONE OF THOSE thinks "THEY" are "THE ONE" and the rest are heretical.

CHRISTIAN groups are not all that way.

Your 'adopted-from-the-roman-catholics-imaginary-group' called 'the protestants' is a farce. It doesn't exist amongst CHRISTIANS.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Christian

CHRISTIANS all consider that we are 'different parts of the same FAITH'.

Please do show us where one finds numerous different denominations which were "different parts of the same FAITH" in the Biblical NT--which God accepted.

There was but one denomination found in the Biblical NT--with the same structure:

Ephesians 2:20---King James Version (KJV)
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

And those apostles were living, mortal apostles who led the NT through Jesus Christ.

That did not mean there were not those who split from that group--but even so--those splits did not determine the authenticity of the one denomination Christ claimed as His own--which was led by His living, mortal apostles.

[Christian]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Please do show us where one finds numerous different denominations which were "different parts of the same FAITH" in the Biblical NT--which God accepted.

There was but one denomination found in the Biblical NT--with the same structure:

Ephesians 2:20---King James Version (KJV)
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

And those apostles were living, mortal apostles who led the NT through Jesus Christ.

That did not mean there were not those who split from that group--but even so--those splits did not determine the authenticity of the one denomination Christ claimed as His own--which was led by His living, mortal apostles.

1 Cor 1:2
2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
NKJV

Col 4:16
16 Now when this epistle is read among you, see that it is read also in the church of the Laodiceans,
NKJV



1 Tim 3:15
the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth
NKJV

Heb 12:23
23 to the general ***embly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven,
NKJV

Rev 2:1
the church of Ephesus
NKJV

Rev 3:14
And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,
NKJV


JESUS was alive and on earth too. . .HE is the chief CORNERSTONE. IF you claim the 12 9actually 13) Apostles have to be CURRENTLY ALIVE here on earth, then TO BE CONSISTENT you MUST HAVE A LIVE JESUS CHRIST HERE ON EARTH TOO. . WHERE IS HE?

Of course you CANNOT PRODUCE ONE which shows your WHOLE THEORY TO BE PRESUMPTUOUS AND FALSE.

The TRUTH is that Christ's church has never failed, lost any of its authority, or been 'removed from the earth.' The TRUTH is that it today, as for about 2,000 years now, is built upon the FOUNDATION of the Apostles, and Jesus (the REAL ONE, not the satanic 'spirit-brother-of-satan' one) is alive and well and Jesus STILL is our chief cornerstone.

Joey smith lied to you...and you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker .

The REAL Jesus (OUR Jesus, not a demon of satan's spawn) is alive, well, and with HIS FATHER IN HEAVEN, interceding for us CHRISTIANS, and the followers of the false prophet joey smith will end up in hell as will ALL who do not follow the REAL Jesus Christ IN FAITH.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Christian

JESUS was alive and on earth too. . .HE is the chief CORNERSTONE. IF you claim the 12 9actually 13) Apostles have to be CURRENTLY ALIVE here on earth, then TO BE CONSISTENT you MUST HAVE A LIVE JESUS CHRIST HERE ON EARTH TOO. . WHERE IS HE?

Just where He was after Pentecost--in heaven. But His apostles were here on earth--living, mortal apostles.

Where are the living, mortal apostles of Christ's church today?

[Christian]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Originally Posted by Christian
JESUS was alive and on earth too. . .HE is the chief CORNERSTONE. IF you claim the 12 9actually 13) Apostles have to be CURRENTLY ALIVE here on earth, then TO BE CONSISTENT you MUST HAVE A LIVE JESUS CHRIST HERE ON EARTH TOO. . WHERE IS HE?

Just where He was after Pentecost--in heaven. But His apostles were here on earth--living, mortal apostles.

Where are the living, mortal apostles of Christ's church today?

They are at the same location as Jesus. . .IN HEAVEN. Your false prophet's theories are ****n back into the pit from which they came.

Your religion is not very consistent, IS IT?

[Christian]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Just where He was after Pentecost--in heaven. But His apostles were here on earth--living, mortal apostles.

Where are the living, mortal apostles of Christ's church today?

The FOUNDATION is with the CORNERSTONE, NOT with the strangites, rlds, fundamentalist lds, temple lot lds, or utah lds religions.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Christian

The FOUNDATION is with the CORNERSTONE, NOT with the strangites, rlds, fundamentalist lds, temple lot lds, or utah lds religions.

Hi Christian:

The foundation is just what the scriptures testify to:

Ephesians 2:20---King James Version (KJV)
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

[Christian]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Hi Christian:

The foundation is just what the scriptures testify to:

Ephesians 2:20---King James Version (KJV)
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

NOT ONE WORD
about "mortal" or "living on the earth" foundation OR Cornerstone. In other words, YOUR so-called 'apostles' are frauds; the REAL ONES are still IN HEAVEN WITH THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE. . .ALL PARTS OF THE SAME STRUCTURE.

joey smith lied to you.

Your smith-invented man-made 'foundation' just crumbled.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Christian

[COLOR=#0000ff]NOT ONE WORD about "mortal" or "living on the earth" foundation OR Cornerstone.

Hi Christian:

I was thinking the very author of the epistle to the Ephesians was a living, mortal apostle.

Ephesians 2:20---King James Version (KJV)
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Christian

Oh? Then the UTAH mormons AND the STRANGITES are BOTH the original church smith invented?
I didn't know that. . .

What?

Misrepresenting the context of someone's statement is not nice, "christian."

[Christian]

Originally Posted by Erundur

Yes, I know the Protestant god doesn't exist. Protestants believe he does, though.

And mormon fundamentalists? What do YOU think?