"How about I give you $5 bucks?" Smith'sSexual Advances

[alanmolstad]

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

To use street language, Joe Smith was a player.............a real dog.

[MickeyS]

Again, another tall tale straight from John Bennett. The man you yourself have posted about the fact he's a known liar and had ACTUALLY been caught in illicit affairs with several women, and had admitted to it. He used the church to sleep with women by lying about things Joseph Smith never said. This man was excommunicated when his behavior was exposed.

Because of this, he carried out a vendetta against Joseph Smith by using these women, who were John Bennetts known conquests, to lie about him. If you notice on the affidavit, Melissa signs with an "X", which shows her incapable of writing this account meaning somebody wrote it for her. Catherine Fuller, who was also one of Bennetts conquests, testified during her trial, when she was charged with immoral behavior with Bennett, that Melissa was also carrying on an affair with the Doctor. D Michael Quinn also lists her as one of Bennetts "free love" companions.

So if this woman fell for the "Joseph said it was okay" line that Bennett used to bed women, does it really stand to reason that she would turn down Joseph himself if he had propositioned her? Also, let's see...the account states that Joseph said God wanted her to have "illicit intercourse" with him. So how could the intercourse be "illicit" if God is commanding it? Because, by definition, illicit means "unlawful, improper, and disapproved of or not permitted for moral or ethical reasons" If God commanded it, it wouldn't be any of those things would it?? Also....five dollars...really??? LOL. This whole "account" is completely incompatible with the whole "Joseph was using marriage to have sex" thing that you usually go on about. Do you vet your sources at all?

But if all Joseph wanted was sex....there would have been much easier ways than creating a religion, writing a book, building churches and temples, and withstanding years of persecution and eventually death in order to get it. He could have just done what Bennett did and ran around behind everybody's back and tell lies like men who are addicted to sex ACTUALLY do.

All of Bennetts stories are outrageous, inconsistent and downright laughable. Plus, again, you have already confirmed that this man is a liar. And then you continue to use him as a source.

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by MickeyS

Again, another tall tale straight from John Bennett. The man you yourself have posted about the fact he's a known liar and had ACTUALLY been caught in illicit affairs with several women, and had admitted to it. He used the church to sleep with women by lying about things Joseph Smith never said. This man was excommunicated when his behavior was exposed.

Because of this, he carried out a vendetta against Joseph Smith by using these women, who were John Bennetts known conquests, to lie about him. If you notice on the affidavit, Melissa signs with an "X", which shows her incapable of writing this account meaning somebody wrote it for her. Catherine Fuller, who was also one of Bennetts conquests, testified during her trial, when she was charged with immoral behavior with Bennett, that Melissa was also carrying on an affair with the Doctor. D Michael Quinn also lists her as one of Bennetts "free love" companions.

So if this woman fell for the "Joseph said it was okay" line that Bennett used to bed women, does it really stand to reason that she would turn down Joseph himself if he had propositioned her? Also, let's see...the account states that Joseph said God wanted her to have "illicit intercourse" with him. So how could the intercourse be "illicit" if God is commanding it? Because, by definition, illicit means "unlawful, improper, and disapproved of or not permitted for moral or ethical reasons" If God commanded it, it wouldn't be any of those things would it?? Also....five dollars...really??? LOL. This whole "account" is completely incompatible with the whole "Joseph was using marriage to have sex" thing that you usually go on about. Do you vet your sources at all?

But if all Joseph wanted was sex....there would have been much easier ways than creating a religion, writing a book, building churches and temples, and withstanding years of persecution and eventually death in order to get it. He could have just done what Bennett did and ran around behind everybody's back and tell lies like men who are addicted to sex ACTUALLY do.

All of Bennetts stories are outrageous, inconsistent and downright laughable. Plus, again, you have already confirmed that this man is a liar. And then you continue to use him as a source.

It's a legal affidavit - do you know what that is, or should I explain?

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by MickeyS

Again, another tall tale straight from John Bennett. The man you yourself have posted about the fact he's a known liar and had ACTUALLY been caught in illicit affairs with several women, and had admitted to it. He used the church to sleep with women by lying about things Joseph Smith never said. This man was excommunicated when his behavior was exposed.

Because of this, he carried out a vendetta against Joseph Smith by using these women, who were John Bennetts known conquests, to lie about him. If you notice on the affidavit, Melissa signs with an "X", which shows her incapable of writing this account meaning somebody wrote it for her. Catherine Fuller, who was also one of Bennetts conquests, testified during her trial, when she was charged with immoral behavior with Bennett, that Melissa was also carrying on an affair with the Doctor. D Michael Quinn also lists her as one of Bennetts "free love" companions.

So if this woman fell for the "Joseph said it was okay" line that Bennett used to bed women, does it really stand to reason that she would turn down Joseph himself if he had propositioned her? Also, let's see...the account states that Joseph said God wanted her to have "illicit intercourse" with him. So how could the intercourse be "illicit" if God is commanding it? Because, by definition, illicit means "unlawful, improper, and disapproved of or not permitted for moral or ethical reasons" If God commanded it, it wouldn't be any of those things would it?? Also....five dollars...really??? LOL. This whole "account" is completely incompatible with the whole "Joseph was using marriage to have sex" thing that you usually go on about. Do you vet your sources at all?

But if all Joseph wanted was sex....there would have been much easier ways than creating a religion, writing a book, building churches and temples, and withstanding years of persecution and eventually death in order to get it. He could have just done what Bennett did and ran around behind everybody's back and tell lies like men who are addicted to sex ACTUALLY do.

All of Bennetts stories are outrageous, inconsistent and downright laughable. Plus, again, you have already confirmed that this man is a liar. And then you continue to use him as a source.

It's a legal affidavit - do you know what that is, or should I explain?

[Apologette]

Mormons are so gullible that they want to blame someone else other than their chief idol, Smith. They don't understand this was a legal affidavit signed by the woman Smitty boy stalked.

[MickeyS]

Originally Posted by Apologette

It's a legal affidavit - do you know what that is, or should I explain?

I understand what that means Apologette. But that isn't automatically a guarantee that she told the truth. That's so funny. Especially since this woman was witnessed by others as having an affair with John Bennett, the man pretty much responsible for a vast majority of anti-Mormon literature (which is a correct term. They're against the church and make a mission of tearing down its character, therefore the "anti") and for this recounting in particular. So, it's important to consider the source and look at the whole story.

Like understanding that Bennett would get women to sleep with him by lying and stating Joseph condoned it and wanted them to engage in it. That being said, considering these women were prone to falling for Bennetts stories and complying because of it, it really doesn't then make sense that one would then turn down Joseph Smith himself.

Also consider offering monetary compensation in exchange for sex makes no sense as well. I can't even say that with a straight face lol. If that were really his style, it is completely inconsistent with all the other claims about using religion. This account is all over the place. Really lol.

Now if all affidavits were taken at face value as a reliable source in and of themselves as a finding of guilt for others, there would be no juries and the jails would be full. And nobody in this country would be safe. You yourself could be sitting in jail because someone signed a legal affidavit accusing you of a some horrendous crime. Just because they had an axe to grind against you. And Bennett had the biggest axe of all.

And if you look at the wording of the affidavit, it is full of verbalism that again reflect the story style of Mr Bennett. Do you really believe a woman who can neither read nor write would use the term "illicit"? Really? I'm just saying, it's a good idea to at least vet your sources and not just agree with any story you hear because it agrees with your POV.

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by MickeyS

I understand what that means Apologette. But that isn't automatically a guarantee that she told the truth. That's so funny. Especially since this woman was witnessed by others as having an affair with John Bennett, the man pretty much responsible for a vast majority of anti-Mormon literature (which is a correct term. They're against the church and make a mission of tearing down its character, therefore the "anti") and for this recounting in particular. So, it's important to consider the source and look at the whole story.

Like understanding that Bennett would get women to sleep with him by lying and stating Joseph condoned it and wanted them to engage in it. That being said, considering these women were prone to falling for Bennetts stories and complying because of it, it really doesn't then make sense that one would then turn down Joseph Smith himself.

Also consider offering monetary compensation in exchange for sex makes no sense as well. I can't even say that with a straight face lol. If that were really his style, it is completely inconsistent with all the other claims about using religion. This account is all over the place. Really lol.

Now if all affidavits were taken at face value as a reliable source in and of themselves as a finding of guilt for others, there would be no juries and the jails would be full. And nobody in this country would be safe. You yourself could be sitting in jail because someone signed a legal affidavit accusing you of a some horrendous crime. Just because they had an axe to grind against you. And Bennett had the biggest axe of all.

And if you look at the wording of the affidavit, it is full of verbalism that again reflect the story style of Mr Bennett. Do you really believe a woman who can neither read nor write would use the term "illicit"? Really? I'm just saying, it's a good idea to at least vet your sources and not just agree with any story you hear because it agrees with your POV.

Sure, pal, everybody is a liar - they all lied about Smith! How naive! Are you a female? Doesn't it make you sick that you are protecting someone who abused women, and young girls? It makes me sick!

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by theway

True... However there were "legal affidavits" from people stating that Bennett and this woman were the ones having the affair, not Joseph. In fact, Joseph wasn't even accused by Bennett until after Bennett and her were both busted.
So it seems CA, that you simply like to pick and choose your "legal affidavits" based on which one says something negative about Joseph, discarding all common sense.... And you call Mormons gullible...LOL...

Prove it! Here's the truth about Schindle:

"Melissa Schindle

Melissa Schindle, wife of Colonel George Schindle, made an affidavit on July 2, 1842 that was published in the Sangamo Journal on July 15, 1842. Mrs. Schindle said Joseph Smith asked "in the fall of 1841. if he could have the privilege of sleeping with her. [that] it was the will of the Lord that he should have illicit intercourse with her, and that he never proceeded to do any thing of that kind with any woman without first having the will of the Lord on the subject." After Melissa rejected his offer, Smith reportedly said, "that she must never tell of his propositions to her, for he had all influence in that place [Nauvoo], and if she told he would ruin her character, and she would be under the necessity of leaving."

I believe Melissa since he told Nancy Rigdon and Jane Law the same thing - this warped pervert, Smith, loved intimidating women if they didn't go along with his particular perversion. There's no evidence she ever had an affair with anybody, and Mormons LIE!

[Apologette]

By the way, the source for the above info on Melissa Schindle is from Mormon Think. Please read everything they have to say about Smitty's attacks on women:
http://www.mormonthink.com/grant6.htm

[MickeyS]

Ohhhh, ok, it came from Mormonthink....that changes everything

Not

[MickeyS]

In the same paragraph
"I believe Melissa....And Mormons LIE"

Hmmmmm....so Melissa was Mormon...

Do try to be consistent

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by MickeyS

In the same paragraph
"I believe Melissa....And Mormons LIE"

Hmmmmm....so Melissa was Mormon...

Do try to be consistent

From the link its hard to tell for sure what faith she was..
we know Smith tried hard to sleep with her,and that it says she turned him down flat...

It also talks about that after Smith got turned down he got scared she was talk and he was worried about his position in the town.

it also talks about the fact that even after Smith propositioned the one girl and got turned down, he had a back-up plan and he jumped into the bed of another girl who was there at the time.

So the guy was having a "busy" night....LOL


we know that smith liked to chase the girls that were somehow connected to his religion, so there is a good chance that this or that girl he nailed were members or the wives or children of members of his religion...

But like I said, so far Im not sure about this particular girl being a member at the time of the Mormon CULT or not....

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by MickeyS

Ohhhh, ok, it came from Mormonthink....that changes everything

Not

Not for you it doesn't - you think everything is a lie of John Bennett, don't you? So, frankly, this information is for thinkers.

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

From the link its hard to tell for sure what faith she was..
we know Smith tried hard to sleep with her,and that it says she turned him down flat...

It also talks about that after Smith got turned down he got scared she was talk and he was worried about his position in the town.

it also talks about the fact that even after Smith propositioned the one girl and got turned down, he had a back-up plan and he jumped into the bed of another girl who was there at the time.

So the guy was having a "busy" night....LOL


we know that smith liked to chase the girls that were somehow connected to his religion, so there is a good chance that this or that girl he nailed were members or the wives or children of members of his religion...

But like I said, so far Im not sure about this particular girl being a member at the time of the Mormon CULT or not....

And we know a bunch of women complained about his inappropriate advances and frank sexual stalking. The guy was one sick pup, that's for sure.

[MickeyS]

Originally Posted by Apologette

Not for you it doesn't - you think everything is a lie of John Bennett, don't you? So, frankly, this information is for thinkers.

Ohhhh...I see what you did there "thinkers", Mormon"think"....yeah, you're right Apologette, with a name like that it HAS to be for thinkers...

Can't get anything past you, you're one smart girl huh?

[MickeyS]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

But like I said, so far Im not sure about this particular girl being a member at the time of the Mormon CULT or not....

So now it's your position that Joseph created a religion, indoctrinated women into his religion ALL just so he can have sex with them, and then goes OUTSIDE the religion to proposition women for sex?? Kinda breaks the whole M.O. you've already created for him, yeah?

And what does it matter?? Oh yeah, Apologette said you can't trust Mormons, because Mormons LIE. So, let's see, Nancy Rigdon, ohhhhh...the "respectable" Sarah Pratt??

Again.....consistency

[MickeyS]

But I see Alan's back to his disgusting behavior, and I'm starting to get snarky....sorry, can't help it, it's just too easy with a couple of geniuses like you around. So you two have fun now, I'm not playing.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by MickeyS

So now it's your position that Joseph created a religion, indoctrinated women into his religion ALL just so he can have sex with them, and then goes OUTSIDE the religion to proposition women for sex??

He was a horny dude...all the time on the hunt for tail...
If you think for one moment that I have said that he "only" went after girls who were full Mormon then you have totally misunderstood what I was saying.

its true that we see from the record that Smith was a child molester and a pervert who went after even the married wives of his followers..

But from his behavior its not hard to believe that any young girl in sight was under the guy's eye....as he looked for that next sexual encounter...


I mean, didnt he also have sex with the young poor girls that needed a place to just stay?....

that sure sounds like a guy would would have tapped anything he could nail with a pulse...

[MickeyS]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

He was a horny dude...all the time on the hunt for tail...
If you think for one moment that I have said that he "only" went after girls who were full Mormon then you have totally misunderstood what I was saying.

its true that we see from the record that Smith was a child molester and a pervert who went after even the married wives of his followers..

But from his behavior its not hard to believe that any young girl in sight was under the guy's eye....as he looked for that next sexual encounter...


I mean, didnt he also have sex with the young poor girls that needed a place to just stay?....

that sure sounds like a guy would would have tapped anything he could nail with a pulse...

You know what is the most sad?? You sound like you ADMIRE this "Joseph Smith". Like you're actually jealous of all the tail he got. I can't understand why else you would talk about all these specifics that aren't even part of any stories. But it didn't happen, he doesn't exist, and that's so sad for you.

Ok....NOW I'm taking a break, this is getting nowhere fast.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by MickeyS

You know what is the most sad?? You sound like you ADMIRE this "Joseph Smith". Like you're actually jealous of all the tail he got.........

Christians do not admire child molesters and sexual perverts....

But we should point out the nasty sins of a leader of a false religion to the people that have been sucked-in to the Mormon CULT...
we are sent into the world to speak the truth to a world of the CULTs that love to hide the truth from others as well as from themselves...

The darkness fears the light....

[alanmolstad]

I did have to smile at the approach the Smith triedwith the one girl.....

when all his other tricks and lies did not convince the young girl to laywith him,,,he offered her $5 bucks.....


thats a guy who has run out of ideas......

What world does that work?....


I mean, think about this for a moment,,,,
First he tries hard to convince a girl that God has a special plan for her...that she is very important and blessed to be part of this plan....

But when that dont work, he turns around and tried to turn her out as a $5 buck hooker?.......






and thats the mighty founder of a religion eh?

[MickeyS]

"mean, think about this for a moment,,,,
First he tries hard to convince a girl that God has a special plan for her...that she is very important and blessed to be part of this plan....

But when that dont work, he turns around and tried to turn her out as a $5 buck hooker?......."

Uh....yeah, that's what I've been saying... Lol, it's ludicrous. But hey, you're the one buying it.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by MickeyS

"mean, think about this for a moment,,,,
First he tries hard to convince a girl that God has a special plan for her...that she is very important and blessed to be part of this plan....

But when that dont work, he turns around and tried to turn her out as a $5 buck hooker?......."

Uh....yeah, that's what I've been saying... Lol, it's ludicrous. But hey, you're the one buying it.

It truly does describe what a nasty dirty old man Smith was....

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by MickeyS

"mean, think about this for a moment,,,,
First he tries hard to convince a girl that God has a special plan for her...that she is very important and blessed to be part of this plan....

But when that dont work, he turns around and tried to turn her out as a $5 buck hooker?......."

Uh....yeah, that's what I've been saying... Lol, it's ludicrous. But hey, you're the one buying it.

It truly does describe what a nasty dirty old man Smith was....