Calling evolution "theistic" dosen't make it true.

[disciple]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

thus this backs-up what Im saying..

That you can have the Genesis story tell us that God "breathed" into the man, and understand it as a metaphor that is actually talking about the fact that man is the result of God's direct handy work...that we are who we are because of god...

Nothing about that is against evolution.


Evolution is a natural law that god created...just as water, as rain, as snow...
all are things that god has created to be here...all reflect His thinking...his 'hands"

Alan,

Evolution cannot be a natural law, as it is at odds with the 2nd law of thermodynamics which is a proven, scientifically tested law
like the law of gravity, not a theory like evolution. At least be honest, evolution is a theory put forth by Darwin and nothing more.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by disciple

Alan,

Evolution cannot be a natural law, as it is at odds with the 2nd law of thermodynamics which is a proven, scientifically tested law
like the law of gravity, not a theory like evolution. At least be honest, evolution is a theory put forth by Darwin and nothing more.

somewhere along the line,,,I simply have not gotten it across to people here, that "Alan does not defend evolution!"




Im not sure how else to post that fact?

Would Bigger letters help? Alan does not defend evolution!"




Im a Bible student...the bible i know...the Bible i quote in all my posts...the bible I can deal with.

thats also why no one dares ask me Bible type questions...cuz they know im up to speed on the bible....LOL

[alanmolstad]

kids at home:

watch how they never ask me,,,"Where does it say that in the bible?"

watch how they never want to talk about the Bible verses I use....never..




they dont dare...

[MichaellS]

I just supplied a comment w/verses. Where is my comment?

[alanmolstad]

post it again,,,,,

[alanmolstad]

and when you answer that.....I have your next question ready for you to chew on....

[disciple]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

somewhere along the line,,,I simply have not gotten it across to people here, that "Alan does not defend evolution!"




Im not sure how else to post that fact?

Would Bigger letters help? Alan does not defend evolution!"




Im a Bible student...the bible i know...the Bible i quote in all my posts...the bible I can deal with.

thats also why no one dares ask me Bible type questions...cuz they know im up to speed on the bible....LOL

Alan,

you just said evolution is a natural law, any scientist will tell you it is not a natural law. Were you mistaken?
Why won't you admit that it is a theory? Too prideful or just misinformed.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by disciple

Alan,

you just said evolution is a natural law, any scientist will tell you it is not a natural law. Were you mistaken?
Why won't you admit that it is a theory? Too prideful or just misinformed.

again you hope I dont notice you got no scripture again?......how sad

[disciple]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

again you hope I dont notice you got no scripture again?......how sad

Come on Alan, why would I need a scripture to point out your error about evolution being a natural law?

[alanmolstad]

to review the story of Jonah-


Jonah is on a ship.
There is a great storm.
The crew is scared, and they think they are all going to die.
They decide to draw lots to see who is at fault for the storm?

(Now Im not sure what it means to "draw-lot" but lets just say they draw straws.)


So lets say there were 10 people that were drawing straws.
What is the "chance" any of the people have of drawing the short straw?......answer, 1 out of 10 correct?


I think we all can see how each of the people on the ship in the storm had a 1out of 10 chance of drawing the short straw.
Thats the facts....thats science...

thats how men of science look at the world...they see the "chance" is not just dumb-luck, but rather it comes down to the laws or probability.
Nothing about drawing straws is magic....

Just as nothing about the science of the study of Evolution is magic.
There are rules that govern the outcomes in drawing straws just as there are tons and tons of rules that govern evolution...


But....to the student of the Bible...."WE".....we get to know a little bit information that the man of science does not get.

and that makes all the difference in both how we read and understand the story of Jonah, and in our study of evolution.





what do we know?
We know that God was in the drawing of the straws....and because god was in control, there was a 100% "chance' that Jonah would pick the short straw.

We know this.....

We know that god did not just leave this up to random luck....

We know that when Jonah picked the short straw it was all part of god's eternal plan that was set in stone and fixed before the universe was created.

Nothing was left to chance.



But at the same time...if a man of science were watching the men on the ship draw straws, he would have seen no giant hand reaching down out of the sky to control the straws.
To the man of science observing, there would have been no sign at all that god did any controlling of the outcome in any way!

Thus....you can have something that looks to be total dumb luck....and at the same time have God in full control.
Both things are totally true....and do not contradict each other at all...



So the life in the universe can be here via evolution.....and God can be in full control.

and both ideas are totally 100% true....

[alanmolstad]

What all this means is that the people that try to say that the Bible is against evolution are wrong.