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  1. #251
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    Quote Originally Posted by jude1:3 View Post
    Hopefully The Lord Jesus Christ will have mercy on you for promoting this heretical lie.
    While I can clearly see that sitting in the back and heckling must be a lot of fun...
    I do also believe that is some fun as well found in opening your Bible to genesis and seeing if what I have said is true...

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    what does the Bible say in black and white was the first thing God created "In the beginning"?




    I dont expect you to dare answer....I just wanted to point out where you first fail, and you first fail at genesis 1:1....
    Last edited by alanmolstad; 04-17-2016 at 09:50 AM.

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    Since we have not really seen any questions asked nor any countering Bible verses posted, I thought I would now take the next few pages of this topic on "theistic Evolution" and go over some of the common questions I have been asked over the years about Genesis and provide short little answers to each .

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    What is the Biggest flaw found in the people that promote the Young Earth teachings and why cant they ever deal with the Scriptures?

    The simple fact is, that the Bible does not say what they thought it said.

    Its like the common error we see in society where they quote "And the lion shall lay down with the lamb"......its a nice enough thought, but it actually is not found in the bible.
    People quote itall the time, they make use of it in their arguments, but its not based on the Bible....its just based on what people "think"the Bible says.

    It's the same problem the Young Earth believers have they love to believe the Bible supports their ideas, but that also is why they don't dare open the Bible, because they are afraid to learn that the Bible does not teach what they have always wanted and taught it was teaching.

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    According to the Young Earth Creationism teachings God created the "light" first before he created the sun, but what does the Bible say?


    "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

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    Does this word "heavens" have the meaning of all the stars like our own sun?

    Yes, all the things that we can included in the great canopy of stars including our own sun, moon, and sister words, as well as all the other things in space, and even things we dont even have names for yet!, all this "stuff" is correctly identified under the single term used at Genesis 1:1 as "Heavens".

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    The Bible teaches that God created the sun and stars first, and that is in total disagreement with the Young Earth teachings that say that the "light" was made first?


    Yes, the YEC teachings are complete at odds with the text of the bible.

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    Does the Bible teach that the Earth was created as a water-covered world?

    No, in the Genesis story the Earth is described as being created as a dead and dry world that later was covered by the seas.

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    Where is the Earth described as being created as a "dead and dry"world ?

    In Genesis 2

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    So things talked about at Genesis 2 can be talking about a time that is before things in Genesis 1 ?

    Yes, Parts of Genesis 2 do talk to us about a time in early earth history that happen prior to the creation of the "waters" and "the deep" talked about in Genesis 1

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    So things talked about in Gen 2 can have happened before things talked about in Gen 1?

    Yes, the writer of the genesis story does like to do this, where he lists something a first time, and then later goes back and fills-in some details.

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    Give me another example of the Writer of Genesis going back to fill-in left out parts of the story later?

    In the creation of man he does this too.
    Last edited by alanmolstad; 04-17-2016 at 05:25 AM.

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    Explain that more...

    At the start of the Genesis story we read about "the waters" that cover the earth as well as "the deep".

    This tells us that we are dealing with a point in Earth's history where we have the earth already covered by water.
    But the Writer on Genesis has not told us how this all happened yet.

    Later in Genesis 2 the details are filled-in for us when we see that the Earth was actually created as a dead and dry world, and then we read about a mist coming forth from under the ground that forms the seas that cover all the dry lands.

    This pattern is used again by the writer of Genesis when he simply states that on the 6th Day God created the humans, male and female.
    Later in Genesis 2 we then see the same writer of genesis go back and fill-in the details of the creation of the man and later of the women.

    So when we read things that are talked about in Genesis 2 we can have no trouble at all understanding that they actually could have happened earlier than many of the events talked about in Genesis 1, for that is the writing pattern found in the genesis story.

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    According to Evolution, if we trace back life to the first early building blocks of pre-life, what we find is that they are made of this earth itself.
    So this means that all life, including us humans, is actually a part of this earth that has come to life.
    What does the bible teach?



    The same thing.

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    So Genesis and Evolution agree on the source for life?

    Yes, there is complete agreement .

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    But how can man be said to be made in the image of God if we are actually made out of the ground?

    Man is made in the image of God, but we must remember that God is Spirit.
    Therefore the flesh of man is from this earth, but the spirit of man is not from this earth at all.

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    Why is the earth said to be in darkness if the sun was already created in the beginning?

    Same reason I cant see the sun today even when its after 7:00 in the morning.....its too cloudy.

    The sun was created in the beginning, but at *** 38 we learn that due to thick clouds the early seas that covered the earth at the timeof Genesis were in thick "darkness"

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    So the idea taught by the Young Earth teachers that God created the "light" before he made the sun and stars, is an error?

    Yes, its a lie based on poor scholarship and a lack of their not wanting to know what the bible really says.

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    As these thick clouds thinned out over time, what would be observed?

    You would see just what is talked about happening in the Genesis story.

    First you would notice a difference between daylight and nighttime,as your position on the earth spin to and then away from the sun. (Night and day)

    Then you would also notice that even at nighttime there would appear a dim, (lesser) light being actually the sun's reflection caused by the moon.

    Later you would notice how the days get longer then shorter (the seasons due to the tilt of the earth going around the sun)

    Lastly as the clouds totally cleared you would be able to make out even the dim lights of the stars. (see 4th day)

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    So the stars are NOT made on the 4th day?

    No, although it may say in some bible translations that the Lord "also made" the stars on the 4th day, if you check the verse in a translation like the King James that puts added words in brackets [ ] or in italic , you will learn that the words "also made" are just a later addition by an editor, and do not appear in the Hebrew.

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    So what happens to the verse if you don't add the needless added words?

    If you read the verse free of the imposed wording, all it is saying is that the "lesser light" will rule over the night and the stars.

    and that is true because the lesser light does out shine the darkness of the night sky as well as the dimmer lights of the stars...

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    Does the Bible teach that the "sun" and "moon"were made on the 4th day?

    No, the words "sun" and "moon" do not appear in that verse at all.
    Rather what is talked about that is now different on the 4th day is the "light" that is said now to have become "greater" and "lesser"

    The terms "greater" and "lesser" are terms that talk about the AMOUNT of light seen on the earth...they are not the SOURCE of that light.
    The Bible does not say on the 4th day that a source for the light was created....only the difference in the light brightness is being described.

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    Another Genesis teaching that the YEC bunch like to push is the idea that fallen angles had sex women and produced giants, but is this a real teaching of the Bible?

    No it's yet another error of the YEC teachers based on poor scholarship and not their not wanting to read the bible.

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    what is that part of the Bible in Genesis 6 dealing with then?

    Genesis 6 is simply building on the same ideas that the writer has already been talking about in Genesis 3, 4, and 5.

    So when we come to the verses of concern in Genesis 6, we should understand them not as a separate idea that just got dumped into the story (The way the YEC teachers believe) rather we should see it in the full context of the story told to us so far.

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    If Genesis 6 is not talking about angels and earth women hooking up, what is it talking about?

    In Genesis 3 we read about the fall of man, and the start of the 2 different branches of the family tree of Adam.

    In Genesis 4 we read about a darker side of the family tree of Adam, and how it degenerates over the generations.

    In Genesis 5 we read about a more holy branch of Adam's family tree, where men are said to walk with God.

    But in Genesis 6 we read about the results of when the two branches of the family tree intermarry.
    The result of this is the total degeneration of the holy side of the family to the point where there simply is nothing much left of the entire human race that has not fallen into deepest types of sin.

    This line of teaching is clearly connected to the laws governing how the Jews at the time this was written did intermarry with other tribes and other faiths.


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