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    Radio Host Hank Hanegraaff Supports Evolutionary, Old Earth Proponent

    https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/k...rth-proponent/

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    "Hanegraaff used to be a fairly ardent young-earth creationist, but has become more open ..."


    http://oldearthcreationism.blogspot....-and-hank.html

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    Notable Christians Open to an Old-universe, Old-earth Perspective


    http://www.reasons.org/articles/nota...th-perspective

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    Notable Christians Open to an Old-universe, Old-earth Perspective


    http://www.reasons.org/articles/nota...th-perspective

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    [B].......

    as things went along I became aware later of this Dr Walter Martin guy, and I remember so many times people would call into his radio Answer man show, with a question about the Young Earth Creationism teachings, and I remember how Walter would never come down on the side of Ken ham on any such question..


    Im glad to see that the current Bible Answer man host also does not support the Young earth teachings too!

    so im in good company on that issue...

    .....



    You do realize now that I'm always absolutely right all the time ,correct?

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    Default Christian Ministries Teaching Evolution

    http://www.creationliberty.com/artic...ministries.php




    " "With the above biblical data in mind, [supporting the "day-age" billions of years]... most of the strongest arguments against the creationist viewpoint currently being made by contemporary science are eliminated when we let go of our insistence upon a 6,000-10,000 year old earth. From the standpoint of presenting an effective apologetic (defense) for the Christian faith, this point must be considered. Why put heavy emphasis on a doctrine that can stand in the way of some people's arriving at Christian faith when it is not even certain that the biblical data supports the obstacle in question?" [i.e. the Bible data is not certain the earth is young]
    -Christian Research Ins***ute, lead by Hank Hanegraaff, The Creation Story: How Old is the Earth?, "

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    Default The Bible and the Age of the Earth - Hank Hanegraaff


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    If I didn’t know any better, a certain p***ing fad is trying desperately to overcome reality.

    “Heed the still small voice that so seldom leads us wrong, and never into folly.” - Marquise du Deffand

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    >>>>>>>as I have said...OVER AND OVER.....



    I can remember many times when Dr Walter Martin was asked a question about Genesis or evolution, Walter would always give his answer in such a way as to always allow for the vast age of the earth required by evolution.

    As I also said many times, Im not really sure if Walter actually believed in evolution,but i do know that he made a special point each time he answers such questions on the story of Genesis that he would make sure everyone understood that there is nothing in the Bible that says the earth could not be millions of years old...

    Im glad to see that the current Bible Answer Man also has taken a stand against the teaching of the Young Earth gang....

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    I could go on.......

    I just wanted to make sure everyone watching this topic understands that "Alan knows his stuff".

    I have seen it before....I seen the smile in the eyes of the YEc believers I have debated in the past when they think for a brief moment, "They got me".
    They dont count on the fact that I never post anything thats not true...

    It's just like that story I told today to you guys, where I asked the cl*** if the Bible taught that the 7th day of Genesis had ended yet?

    "Sure is does", was their confident response as they smiled and opened their bibles to find the verse that they all expected to teach what they believe it taught....

    Only to have their smiles fade from their faces as they began to stumble from one page of the Bible to the next as they desperately searched for an expected teaching that simply is not found in the Bible...







    Its just like the post we saw by Jude a while back that suggested that the idea of an old Earth is a very new conclusion within the Christian church.

    Thats just dead wrong!

    The idea that the "days" talked about in Genesis cant be automatically ***umed to be just normal 24 hour days goes back to the very beginnings of Christian Bible scholarship.

    Lets name-drop a few here now :

    Justin Martyr ...

    Origen ...

    Augustine...



    So the modern teaching known as "theistic evolution" draws on the ancient tradition of understanding Genesis in light of our current knowledge about the universe.




    Thus - what Im teaching here today is completely within the normal ways great Christians teachers have addressed the Book of Genesis in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    I could go on.......

    I just wanted to make sure everyone watching this topic understands that "Alan knows his stuff".

    You do realize now that I'm always absolutely right all the time ,correct?


    “For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.” Mat 12:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by disciple View Post
    “For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.” Mat 12:34

    I'm full of truth...

    I'm not sure as for others?..

    When I say something it's only after I have done my research, looked at the Scripture, checked the reference, listened to the teaching.
    Thus when I speak I speak from knowledge and understanding.

    That's also why when I post something on this Forum it's something you can bank-on being correct.


    That may be also why when some people that dont do the needed research, don't dare look at the Scripture, never bother to check the reference, nor listen to the teacher , always seem to post an idea that ****s up in their face!
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    I'm full of truth...

    I'm not sure as for others?..

    When I say something it's only after I have done my research, looked at the Scripture, checked the reference, listened to the teaching.
    Thus when I speak I speak from knowledge and understanding.

    That's also why when I post something on this Forum it's something you can bank-on being correct.


    That may be also why when some people that dont do the needed research, don't dare look at the Scripture, never bother to check the reference, nor listen to the teacher , always seem to post an idea that ****s up in their face!
    Alan,

    So far you have ignored all legitimate posts in this attempt at a discussion. You have ignored proven scientific laws that refute evolution, the same science you run to whenever it suits your purposes. You have ignored many verses of scripture, in context, that refute your belief in evolution. You have ignored the very words of Jesus that verify the creation account in Genesis, a creation that does not include evolution, chance or death. And why? The answer is here from your own lips," I just wanted to make sure everyone watching this topic understands that "Alan knows his stuff".
    So you really can't see what's wrong with that thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jude1:3 View Post
    You are promoting Heresy Alan.
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    that junk is just your personal opinion
    Do you really think i care about your personal opinions?
    Anyone following this thread who exhibits one s**** of control for thought as Christ desires, do consider this quote of his a little further; for when the time is right on issues that do come up, , oh yes, spirit-#170* does care, especially if he sees a victory to support his view by the much needed word.

    Obviously, from the start of this thread, it is no surprise when someone introduces correction in the word, or the voice of Christians speaking the same tone comes forward as one, he walks away from it, , in this case, correcting ourselves towards stability on “evolution”.

    But allow me to mention something on that so-called “care” he reportedly chooses when and where to incorporate. I think he is selectively very active when it really does matter to him. When he mentions he doesn’t “care” it is untrustworthy hogwash, I think it is just more damage control. I think this has been a teachable account to the mind of one that submits to something that steals a portion of sensitivity for openness. So very, very sad, what a waste

    For he dare not consider directly contesting the voice of Christian unity on this site/issue, that is too close to home. We must go a fetch another video. Why? Because it frees up being engaged in responsibility for oneself, it frees up being entangled from reasoning with us since that would require him to provide an open mind to prove the claim against the weight of the word. Something he repeatedly wants to confuse with a lack of promotion.

    As for what gets under Alan’s skin to amount to his version of “care”, I think have seen it before. Take for instance a heated discussion I had with a poster on this site on another issue who I later found out Alan was much in agreement with and not mine. The topic and intricacies are irrelevant but curiously enough, while Alan wasn’t in the discussion I have reason to believe he was contributing much care that day. The poster just about had me pinned when at last I provided the sought after proof, I might add, deep proof and thereafter never recovered from me carrying the discussion’s logic in a sling.

    Keeping in mind, that heated contention was specifically contingent in the word for all involved, and like evolution, also an issue of being known to resist correction by many church-minded folks who are themselves in error. Was Alan following the thread for which he might have been silently opposing me on? Who knows? One thing is certain, the pro/con at***ude on that issue are very dear to both.

    This I did notice interestingly enough, I think he was and did “care” on that occasion to read along, with that discussion he thought the poster was sure to win big over me on, , this thing which continues to be very controversial. Regardless, for what followed, Alan then vanished for a trust me - un-customarily long long time.

    Do we believe him when he says he doesn’t “care”? It may just be, the distant rumblings of detonations that are set off are eventually decided upon just how destructive, or successful they were, depending on your “personal opinion”.

    *”who was and is and is to come”
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    Lengthy second attempt.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaellS View Post
    Anyone following this thread who exhibits one s**** of control for thought as Christ desires, do consider this quote of his a little further; for when the time is right on issues that do come up, , oh yes, spirit-#179* does care, especially if he sees a victory to support his view by the much needed word.

    Obviously, from the start of this thread, it is no surprise when someone introduces correction in the word, or the voice of Christians speaking the same tone comes forward as one, he walks away from it, , in this case, correcting ourselves towards stability on “evolution”.

    But allow me to mention something on that so-called “care” he reportedly chooses when and where to incorporate. I think he is selectively very active when it really does matter to him. When he mentions he doesn’t “care” it is untrustworthy hogwash, I think it is just more damage control. I think this has been a teachable account to the mind of one that submits to something that steals a portion of sensitivity for openness. So very, very sad, what a waste

    For he dare not consider directly contesting the voice of Christian unity on this site/issue, that is too close to home. We must go a fetch another video. Why? Because it frees up being engaged in responsibility for oneself, it frees up being entangled from reasoning with us since that would require him to provide an open mind to prove the claim against the weight of the word. Something he repeatedly wants to confuse with a lack of promotion.

    As for what gets under Alan’s skin to amount to his version of “care”, I think have seen it before. Take for instance a heated discussion I had with a poster on this site on another issue who I later found out Alan was much in agreement with and not mine. The topic and intricacies are irrelevant but curiously enough, while Alan wasn’t in the discussion I have reason to believe he was contributing much care that day. The poster just about had me pinned when at last I provided the sought after proof, I might add, deep proof and thereafter never recovered from me carrying the discussion’s logic in a sling.

    Keeping in mind, that heated contention was specifically contingent in the word for all involved, and like evolution, also an issue of being known to resist correction by many church-minded folks who are themselves in error. Was Alan following the thread for which he might have been silently opposing me on? Who knows? One thing is certain, the pro/con at***ude on that issue are very dear to both.

    This I did notice interestingly enough, I think he was and did “care” on that occasion to read along, with that discussion he thought the poster was sure to win big over me on, , this thing which continues to be very controversial. Regardless, for what followed, Alan then vanished for a trust me - un-customarily long long time.

    Do we believe him when he says he doesn’t “care”? It may just be, the distant rumblings of detonations that are set off are eventually decided upon just how destructive, or successful they were, depending on your “personal opinion”.

    *”who was and is and is to come”

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    Quote Originally Posted by disciple View Post
    Alan,

    So far you have ignored all legitimate posts in this attempt at a discussion.
    Nope, thats wrong,
    I actually have been the lone voice asking people to open their bibles and to check out the Scriptures that Im talking about to see if I am quoting them correctly.

    I have always suggested that if a person disagrees with my teachings that they should open their own Bible and share the Scriptures that they think do not support my views.

    But in response to my request to "Keep it centered on the Bible", what do I receive in return?...personal smears, and the standard attack against evolution- "Evolution is the work of the Boogeyman"

    Be that as it may, Im still going to keep suggesting that if anyone wants to learn what genesis is teaching us, all they have to do is grab their Bible, and follow along as i go over what Genesis is teaching.

    If they have even the slightest doubt that the Bible is actually saying what I claim it says?...then go read the verse Im talking about to see what it truly says there...


    it's that simple.

    check out every verse i list to see if what im says is true....(Just like they did with the techings of Paul)
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    Nope, thats wrong,
    I actually have been the lone voice asking people to open their bibles and to check out the Scriptures that Im talking about to see if I am quoting them correctly.

    I have always suggested that if a person disagrees with my teachings that they should open their own Bible and share the Scriptures that they think do not support my views.

    But in response to my request to "Keep it centered on the Bible", what do I receive in return?...personal smears, and the standard attack against evolution- "Evolution is the work of the Boogeyman"

    Be that as it may, Im still going to keep suggesting that if anyone wants to learn what genesis is teaching us, all they have to do is rb their Bible, and follow along as i go over what Genesis is teaching. If they have even the slightest doubt that the Bible is actually saying what I claim it says?...then go read the verse Im talking about to see what it truy says there...


    check out every verse i list to see if what im says is true....(Just like they did with the techings of Paul)
    I second that Disciple. Translation provided:

    Promotion vs Discussion

    Please stop devaluing the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaellS View Post
    I second that Disciple.
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    well you can do whatever you want..

    The truth is, i dont understand most of your posts and I doubt I ever will.

    so you can have fun, agree with whomever you want, I dont really care..

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    well you can do whatever you want..

    The truth is, i dont understand most of your posts and I doubt I ever will.

    so you can have fun, agree with whomever you want, I dont really care..
    Well then let me take this opportunity to scale it back for you.

    Here we have a blatant chance to discuss the difference between the two items mentioned in my last post and detailed in Disciple’s:

    Promotion and Discussion

    What may I ask prevents you from speaking with people rather than down to them from your promotional perch? Keep in mind the word of emphasis – PROMOTION.

    Sounds pretty simple in my book.

    And you haven’t ignored? Ha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaellS View Post
    [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=4]Take for instance a heated discussion I had with a poster on this site on another issue who I later found out Alan was much in agreement with and not mine. The topic and intricacies are irrelevant but curiously enough, while Alan wasn’t in the discussion I have reason to believe he was contributing much care that day.

    I need a bit more information about that topic you are pointing us too....

    I dont remember it off-hand, but I am sure that if I did post something there that it was pithy.




    (and if I had to spank someone's errors with the Bible's truths, then Im not surprised later to find that someone has it in for me and seeks to find some way to even the score)


    but like i said, be that as it may I will keep asking people to put my views to the test as they did with the teachings of Paul...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaellS View Post


    What may I ask prevents you from speaking with people rather than down to them from your promotional perch?


    I speak only what I read in the Scriptures...

    If you want to stand on equal footing with me, guess what you have to do then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by disciple View Post
    Alan,

    You have ignored proven scientific laws that refute evolution,

    I dont defend evolution....
    I dont teach evolution...

    I simply point out to people that if you stick to the words found in Genesis, that nothing there teaches against evolution.

    I believe that evolution and genesis walk hand in hand, and offer the student a well-rounded view of the same earth history...

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    Quote Originally Posted by disciple View Post
    t "Alan knows his stuff".

    One time I was teaching a sunday school adult cl***, and we got into the whole genesis/evolution topic...and after cl*** one of the other students came up to me and asked why I seemd to know everything on this topic?

    I answered and said that I dont know everything, I just know well what I know....

    I do the research.

    I stuck to the Bible too, that's the key thing with me.
    I stick to the words found in the text.

    I dont add
    I dont fake
    I dont need to lie or misquote.

    I just read it and believe it.


    thats why people do so poorly against me in a debate on Genesis, for when they take me on there, they are walking into my kitchen and that's where I do my cooking!
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