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    In the story of Genesis, what would have happened if Adam were to have eaten of the Tree of Life?....
    ANSWER - He would live forever.

    Did Adam eat of that tree?
    ANSWER - no

    Did Adam die?
    Answer - yes.

    Its that simple.

    The fact that there is a tree of Life in the Garden proves to us that Adam was created mortal.

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    so its that simple.

    If you eat of that tree you live forever
    If you dont eat of it you dont live forever.

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    so...the reason Adam later died of old age is due to his sin, thats for sure.
    But specifically he died because he was unable to eat of the tree of life.

    The tree of life gives eternal life to a mortal man that eats of it...

    What mortal man is there in the story?......only Adam.

    The fact that God planted the Tree of Life in the garden in the first place proves 100% that God created Adam as a mortal.

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    Is there a single verse in the story of Genesis that has God telling Adam that he had changed the nature of Adam's body so that now it would die?...no!

    The body of Adam never changed at all from the time before he sinned to the time after he sinned.
    In fact, the verse that talks about man being dust can be understood as telling Adam he remains as he always was ...

    He did not change...

    God never tells him that he was any different.


    Adam's body remained as it always was....mortal....a mortal body that was always in need of eating of the Tree of Life to live forever.

    Thats the reason for the Tree of Life!

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    God gives eternal life. Jesus is eternal life. He was nailed to a tree.

    1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
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    Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death p***ed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord

    How could Adam die before there was sin and death in the world??
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    Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

    The image and likeness of God is eternal.
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    Have life in Christ and you live forever!
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    Put Christ and the tree of life together, as in Jesus is the tree of life. There is no eternal life but by Jesus. Basic Bible, get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxon View Post
    Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

    The image and likeness of God is eternal.
    that of man that is made in the image of God is not our bodies of flesh...
    Thats a false Mormon teaching.


    Mormons believe that God has a body with fingers and flesh ...thats a Smith idea that goes against the Bible totally.

    The Bible tells us our bodies of flesh are nothing but dust and always were from the beginning...

    When we die our flesh goes into the grave and our SPIRIT goes to the God who gave it....

    This points us to the fact that God created Adam as a mortal creature...a mortal creature that had need of the tree of life...

    thats the reason God planted the tree for us...its because we needed it....

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    There is also the fact that man is also a trinity; spirit, soul and body. (God is Father Son and Holy Spirit)

    Try to deal with Romans 5:12 and Romans 6:23 by saying why you seem to think that it is not correct; death coming into the world on the coat tails of sin. You are dodging the following:

    Why did Adam die you ask? Adam died because he sinned. (See Romans 5:12) By one man sin entered into the world, and death came in by sin. The waged of sin is what???? DEATH. (See Romans 6:23)

    Adam was driven out of the garden because he was a sinner and as a sinner he had no right to the tree of life. If Adam ate from the tree of life as a sinner he would have lived forever as a sinner, but the Father had a better plan that would redeem Adam and the rest of mankind so he could live forever as a righteous man and not as a sinful man.

    Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death p***ed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord
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    Adam died only because he was not allowed to eat of the tree of life....
    Thats why he died according to the Bible...thats why his death is p***ed on to his children due to his sin and being kicked out of the garden.

    at no place does the Bible say that the flesh of Adam changed...The Bible does not say Adam became mortal, rather it tells us that the Tree of Life offers mortals the ability to live forever.

    So the tree of Life allows mortals to live forever.
    The tree of Life was there for men to eat, as it is part of the food in the garden that was given to man to eat...
    This means that man was created mortal and was designed to eat and live forever.
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    "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.".....a command given to humans when we are created.

    Not really something you tell immortal beings...
    Angels are never told to reproduce
    Jesus says that in the Kingdom we do not marry, so there seems therefore to be no need for immortal beings to reproduce..

    The Tree of Life appears in the ending of the Book Of revelation, and is said to be being eaten by people...
    The time the tree of life is said to be feeding people is AFTER the resurrection!
    We dont reproduce in the Kingdom, yet we need to still eat of the tree of Life...


    The tree of Life changes a mortal being of flesh and blood, into an immortal being of flesh and bone.

    Everyone always tells me that in the resurrection, mankind will return to the physical state we had in the garden before the sin.
    Fine, I have no problem agreeing with that, But I will just point out that Adam was created with a need to eat of the tree of life....for the only thing the tree of life does is change a mortal being into an immortal being..


    Thus this proves that man was created mortal.

    For in Revelation we see the tree of Life once again doing what it was created to do...offer life to humans.

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    Now when I address questions like this that are dealing with the text of Genesis, I always first approach things with the idea that everything is to be taken literal.

    This helps me get to the point of "What does the text literally say?"
    So much of the YEC teachings are based on nothing found in the written text of the Scriptures.
    This is why before I try to teach people what the Bible "means" I first try hard to stick close to what the Bible literally "says" in black and white.

    This means that if the Bible talks about a 'tree of life"...then the first way i try to deal with the text is to ***ume that we are talking about a real 'tree"...a real tree with bark and roots and everything.

    But in truth, I also understand that the Bible is filled with symbols.
    Somethings might well be called one type of thing, but they are not to be taken that literal, for they but have a higher meaning...

    I dont remember Jesus calling himself the "tree" of life, but he does call himself the "bread" of life.

    Was Jesus really made of grain and yeast?.....no.

    Jesus used the idea of bread to teach us something about himself.
    Jesus also stayed within this symbol as he would teach that we must eat of the "bread of life".

    So this shows us that even if Jesus was not for a moment saying that he was literally made of bread, he yet continued to stay within this use of a symbol to teach us higher concepts.

    Clearly there is a lot of use of symbols in the Bible, so much so that while we may read of a single "tree of life" in a bible story or the listing of a snake that talks to people, we should never lose track of the understanding that much of this may be due to a rich use of symbols in the story.....

    and as a likely story filled from one end to the other with symbols we should never demand that it "Must be taken literally ".
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    Adam did not change physically after he sinned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




    WHAT?!


    Yep,look it up...
    Adam did not change physically...nothing bad happened to his body...he did not degenerate.


    Lots of people think that something changed within Adam (like his DNA) when he sinned...that suddenly he "became mortal".....

    But this idea is wrong!


    "Wrong Alan? How can it be wrong,if that is what so many Christians and other religions believe?"

    Well kids its wrong because the idea that Adam suddenly "became mortal" is not based on the text of the Bible.

    The idea that after Adam sinned he changed and became mortal is an invented idea.




    Want to prove this for yourself?
    ...good!
    Just answer this one question.

    " Why did Adam die?"


    Did God kill Adam?
    Does the Bible tell us that God killed Adam?

    No the Bible does not say that God had to kill Adam at all..



    So why did Adam die?....the answer is this...




    Adam died ONLY because he did not eat of the tree of life.

    Thats the answer.

    That also is the ONLY answer found in the Bible.

    All the other answers you hear listed in your church, (regardless of your religion) are false.
    They are invented to make the story agree with some teaching that they also hold.

    But if you stick to only what you can prove in the Bible, then the only reason the Bible lists as to why Adam,(and all his children to this very day) will die is that before Adam could get over to the Tree Of Life and eat and live forever, he got kicked out.


    Its that simple.


    So lets just look at the text and read what it says.

    The Text tells us that if Adam would have eaten of the Tree Of Life he would live forever.

    This means that at the time God kicked Adam out, Adam had not yet eaten.

    This means that Adam was still in his "natural" condition.
    Adam was still the way God had made him....and in order for Adam to live forever he needed to eat of the tree of life.....

    So mankind was not created in a natural state with the natural ability to live forever.

    Humans were not created with a body that would naturally live forever.
    (That's going to shake up a few people I know, but this is the facts of the text)...

    We humans were not created with bodies that would naturally last forever, and that is why God gave us the tree of Life, so we all could eat of it and all of us live forever.


    This also is why the Bible tells us that all death came to us from Adam....Because of the sin and the fact that Adam got the boot we still share the mortal state that Adam was created within,and because Adam was not allowed to eat of the tree of life we share in the death that we get via Adam....

    Had Adam not sinned, we would be able to be born and eat of the tree of life.

    But because of the sin of Adam, death rules us.
    again you make mistakes. Adam did become mortal for sin and death were brought into the world at Adam's sin. Now in part you are correct for Adam's physical features, his reproductive unit, his genetic makeup and its function etc., did not change, it just came under the curse was not allowed to function perfectly
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