Let's see. . .do you THINK it might be the FACT that Jesus saved us by FAITH IN HIM, which God gave to us?
Jesus Saved us (we didn't 'do it ourselves.') We CHRISTIANS belong to Jesus. (You cultists do not)
Jesus Keeps us (He won't lose ANY that the Father gives Him.)
NOBODY is stronger than GOD; NOBODY can snatch us from God's Hand.
Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post What is the basis of a believer's security?
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Matthew 10:22---King James Version (KJV)
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
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Let's see. . .do you THINK it might be the FACT that Jesus saved us by FAITH IN HIM, which God gave to us?
Jesus Saved us (we didn't 'do it ourselves.') We CHRISTIANS belong to Jesus. (You cultists do not)
Jesus Keeps us (He won't lose ANY that the Father gives Him.)
NOBODY is stronger than GOD; NOBODY can snatch us from God's Hand.
What is your evidence those who endure to the end are not those who have faith in Christ?
Romans 2:5-11----King James Version (KJV)
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Hebrews 10:36---King James Version (KJV)
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
No one is claiming anyone can snatch someone out of God's Hand--but that in no way means one can't be rejected because of wickedness:
2 Peter 2:20-22---King James Version (KJV)
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Again:
Matthew 10:22---King James Version (KJV)
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
What is your evidence those who endure to the end are not those who have faith in Christ?
How FREAKY is THAT CLAIM?
We CHRISTIANS DO endure to the end. Jesus loses NONE OF US CHRISTIANS.
Sorry about you mormons. . .
BTW we ARE ABLE to endure to the end because GOD ENABLES US. We were MADE FOR HIS GOOD WORKS.
But we received ETERNAL LIFE through FAITH in Jesus Christ.
Isa 64:6
6 But we are all like an unclean thing,
And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
NKJV
Your filthy rags (literally the rags of a woman's menstruation) don't impress God. They CERTAINLY WILL NOT "get you saved." ONLY FAITH IN JESUS is counted as righteousness by GOD.
Rom 4:5-8 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
NKJV
That leaves your 'works-earned salvation' where it came from. . .with your demonic manmde 'spirit-brother-of-satan-jesus.'
Hebrews 12:15---King James Version (KJV)
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
1 Timothy 4:16--King James Version (KJV)
16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
BTW we ARE ABLE to endure to the end because GOD ENABLES US.
Are you claiming God did not enable all men?
1 Timothy 2:4--King James Version (KJV)
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
How could it be the will of God all men be saved--and yet--He only enabled a few?
But we received ETERNAL LIFE through FAITH in Jesus Christ.
That only connects obedience as an integral component to faith in Christ:
Hebrews 5:9---King James Version (KJV)
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
[COLOR=#0000FF]Your filthy rags (literally the rags of a woman's menstruation) don't impress God. They CERTAINLY WILL NOT "get you saved." ONLY FAITH IN JESUS is counted as righteousness by GOD.
But that only connects doing righteousness with faith in Jesus:
1 John 3:7---King James Version (KJV)
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Rom 4:5-8 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
God justified all men in His Atonement of all men--including the ungodly--as a free gift:
Romans 5:18---King James Version (KJV)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Paul, when he used the term "works"--was referring to rituals under the Mosaic Law--such as circumcision, not obedience to the gospel--obviously:
The new perspective on Paul represents a significant shift in the way some scholars, especially Protestant scholars, interpret the writings of the Apostle Paul.
Paul, especially in his epistle to the Romans, advocates justification through faith in Jesus Christ over justification through works of the Law. In the historic Lutheran and Reformed perspective, known as sola fide, theologians understood Paul as arguing that Christians' good works would not factor into their salvation - only their faith would count. But according to the "new" perspective, Paul was questioning only observances such as circumcision, dietary laws, and Sabbath laws (these were the 'boundary markers that set the Jews apart from the other nations), not good works in general.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9---King James Version (KJV)
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
That leaves your 'works-earned salvation' where it came from. . .
So--is this an example of "works-earned salvation"?
Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
What is the basis of a believer's security?
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