The following, originally posted at https://theologyarchaeology.wordpres...ormon-dilemma/ (My website), is partially in response to Big Julie's whine about how people do not discuss with Mormons. The problem is not that people do not discuss with them, they do not discuss any serious issue with non-Mormons and probably not with other Mormons. They hide from them . The following is an issue they cannot run and hide from.
They Mormons here said that they accept the KJV Bible, not just the Smith translated version, and read it a lot. They do quote from it a lot as well.But they have a problem. if they accept that non-Mormon version then they have a serious conflict.
The Mormons state that Smith claimed to have been visited by and talked to God the father in his initial call to restore the 'true' church. Well the KJV and other English versions of the Bible have Moses and God talking about the former being able to see God physically. God then tells Moses that no one can see him or they would die. God was very clear on this yet Joseph Smith makes his astounding claim and lived to tell about it.
The dilemma is since the Mormons accept the non-Mormon KJV Bible they are faced with either God lying and no one will die if they see him or Smith lying about his encounter with God. If God lied then the god the Mormons serve is a sinner in need of a savior and disqualifies himself as god. If Smith lied then Mormonism is founded upon a lie and is not a valid church or alternative religion.The Mormons cannot have it both ways, one or the other had to lie.No one can claim that the KJV was mistranslated for all ancient mss. support God's side and none support Smith and there are no ancient alternative mss. even coming close to Smith's ideas
So the Mormons face a difficult problem, they are either serving a false god, one who will lie to them, or their founder lied to them and they have no god to serve.