Phoney 'forever' families of mormons

[Christian]

erunder posted:

Originally Posted by Christian View Post
The problem of WHO IS IN WHICH 'family' and their ages.

Well, we're actually all one big family. And I don't think age is relevant when you're eternal.

So you think we will ALL be Big/Small, diapered/dressed in adult clothing and small/large all at the same time???

WHO WILL LIVE IN YOUR MANSION (literally a 'tent.')? YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE ALONE? You, your spouse and your children when they were small? You, your spouse, your adult children and their little children? You, your spouse, your adult children and THEIR adult children with THEIR tiny children?. . .ETC ETC ETC AD INFINITUM?

I think Jesus was speaking metaphorically, meaning that we was going to prepare a place for us to dwell in his Father's presence. But what if we are all living together in one giant house. Why would that be a problem?

For the mormons that would be a problem because they are misrepresenting the whole concept; they promote the 'family' as being the 'family unit' in the pictures it publishes. . .just mommy, daddy, son, and daughter. ONE generation, LOCAL, NOT THE REALITY.

AND

According to mormon teachings. . .
PART of their family might be exalted (on one planet)
PART of their 'family' (A TELESTIAL [a made-up word] a SECOND LOCATION)
A THIRD PART of their 'family' might be on earth (a THIRD LOCATION)
or
If they are 'SONS OF PERDITION', IN HELL (a FOURTH LOCATION)

BUT

the mormon religion tells you that 'families are forever' as if your current family unit will all remain TOGETHER ONE nice place.

I guess FRAUD is a good term for what the mormon religion does.

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Christian

So you think we will ALL be Big/Small, diapered/dressed in adult clothing and small/large all at the same time???

What? I have no idea how you got that from what I wrote.

For the mormons that would be a problem because they are misrepresenting the whole concept; they promote the 'family' as being the 'family unit' in the pictures it publishes. . .just mommy, daddy, son, and daughter. ONE generation, LOCAL, NOT THE REALITY.

This is false; our church does not teach that families are one generation only. It seems there is no problem after all.

[Christian]

erunder posted:

Originally Posted by Christian [IMG]http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/images/****ons/viewpost-right.png[/IMG]
So you think we will ALL be Big/Small, diapered/dressed in adult clothing and small/large all at the same time???

What? I have no idea how you got that from what I wrote.

You made THIS statement in your previous post:

Well, we're actually all one big family. And I don't think age is relevant when you're eternal.

I responded with the QUESTION (didn't you NOTIce the ??? question marks at the end) that debunked your theory that age is not relevant when you are eternal.

For the mormons that would be a problem because they are misrepresenting the whole concept; they promote the 'family' as being the 'family unit' in the pictures it publishes. . .just mommy, daddy, son, and daughter. ONE generation, LOCAL, NOT THE REALITY.

This is false; our church does not teach that families are one generation only. It seems there is no problem after all.

EXCEPT OF COURSE that what is represented TO THE MORMON FAMILIES IS a 'one generation only' family. So it IS DISHONEST. The pictures NEVER SHOW bearded old men, wrinkled old ladies, or older middle-agers IN ADDITION to the ONE GENERATION ONLY family your church suggests.

Thus it DOES POSE A PROBLEM IN YOUR RELIGION'S 'TRUTHFULNESS' (or lack of it).

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Christian

I responded with the QUESTION (didn't you NOTIce the ??? question marks at the end) that debunked your theory that age is not relevant when you are eternal.

How in the world did it do that?

EXCEPT OF COURSE that what is represented TO THE MORMON FAMILIES IS a 'one generation only' family.

False.

The pictures NEVER SHOW bearded old men, wrinkled old ladies, or older middle-agers

"The pictures"? If I could find a picture that showed a man with a beard, a woman with wrinkles, or middle-aged person, would you admit that you are wrong?

IN ADDITION to the ONE GENERATION ONLY family your church suggests.

My church suggests no such thing. You just made that up.

[Christian]

erunder posted:

Originally Posted by Christian
I responded with the QUESTION (didn't you NOTIce the ??? question marks at the end) that debunked your theory that age is not relevant when you are eternal.

How in the world did it do that?

YOU claimed that age made no difference. I showed that the people would have to be depicted at different ages for different members of your supposed "forever families" to even LOOK LIKE what is presented to your CURRENT FAMILIES as 'families are forever.'

EXCEPT OF COURSE that what is represented TO THE MORMON FAMILIES IS a 'one generation only' family.

False.

EXCEPT THAT what the mormon families are presented with NEVER depicts ONE FAMILY OF ALL HUMANITY with MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN IT. They present ONE daddy, ONE mommy, and a couple of little kids.

The pictures NEVER SHOW bearded old men, wrinkled old ladies, or older middle-agers

"The pictures"? If I could find a picture that showed a man with a beard, a woman with wrinkles, or middle-aged person, would you admit that you are wrong?

"The pictures" that I see regularly hanging in mormon homes depicting 'forever families,' published by the lds church publishers.

First I would have to BE wrong before I said any such thing. FOR THAT TO BE SHOWN TO BE TRUE you would have to PRODUCE the photos depicting 'forever families' of mormonism with MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THEM!

Do you REALLY BELIEVE you can DO that?

You cannot do that. That would not fit your mormon fraud.

IN ADDITION to the ONE GENERATION ONLY family your church suggests.

My church suggests no such thing. You just made that up.

Will you now PRETEND that the mormon church does NOT publish the pictures in their bookstores JUST AS I HAVE DESCRIBED THEM? With ONE daddy, ONE mommy, and their children?

Will you NOW PRETEND that the mormon religion depicts to those folks who believe your 'forever families' that those 'families' include MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people?

​Would you REALLY PREVARICATE LIKE THAT?

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Christian

YOU claimed that age made no difference. I showed that the people would have to be depicted at different ages for different members of your supposed "forever families" to even LOOK LIKE what is presented to your CURRENT FAMILIES as 'families are forever.'

That makes no sense at all. I have no idea what you're talking about.

EXCEPT THAT what the mormon families are presented with NEVER depicts ONE FAMILY OF ALL HUMANITY with MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN IT. They present ONE daddy, ONE mommy, and a couple of little kids.

You want a photograph of all humanity with millions of people in it? Does that actually sound rational to you?

"The pictures" that I see regularly hanging in mormon homes depicting 'forever families,' published by the lds church publishers.

I don't know that pictures you're talking about. Can you produce some?

First I would have to BE wrong before I said any such thing. FOR THAT TO BE SHOWN TO BE TRUE [B]you would have to PRODUCE the photos depicting 'forever families' of mormonism with MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THEM!

No, I would only have to produce one picture that contains one element you claimed they never show.

Will you now PRETEND that the mormon church does NOT publish the pictures in their bookstores JUST AS I HAVE DESCRIBED THEM? With ONE daddy, ONE mommy, and their children?

Will you NOW PRETEND that the mormon religion depicts to those folks who believe your 'forever families' that those 'families' include MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people?

​Would you REALLY PREVARICATE LIKE THAT?

Of course not; I'm not an anti-Mormon. But I will continue to deny your false, unsupported ***ertions.

[alanmolstad]

see the Mormon concept for "Family" is different than Christians.

With a Christian concept, what you have is a dad and mom, and then some kids.

But with the Mormon concept with the life of Smith, we see a guy going from bed to bed ,,,,to bed....
Sleeping with many different women.

This is not a christian concept of family, nor of marriage.

Aslo, one thing gets lost in the way we tend to think of the Mormon marriages of Smith.
We always remember that Smith would claim to have married a new young girl, then he would sleep with her, then when he was 'finished" he would get up and leave the bed and tell the young girl to go back to her real husband.

The result of this is that while Smith was going from bed to bed....he also was 'turning out" the girls to get used to the idea that they also were to go from bed to bed...haveing sex with many different men.


and.........So this is just so much the cl***ic idea of a pimp ...

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

see the Mormon concept for "Family" is different than Christians.

False. Our concept of family is the same as ours.

But with the Mormon concept with the life of Smith, we see a guy going from bed to bed ,,,,to bed....
Sleeping with many different women.

No you don't; you just imagine it.

We always remember that Smith would claim to have married a new young girl, then he would sleep with her, then when he was 'finished" he would get up and leave the bed and tell the young girl to go back to her real husband.

The result of this is that while Smith was going from bed to bed....he also was 'turning out" the girls to get used to the idea that they also were to go from bed to bed...haveing sex with many different men.

I think this is a serious case of either projection or envy.

[Christian]

erunder posted:

Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
see the Mormon concept for "Family" is different than Christians.

False. Our concept of family is the same as ours.

OF COURSE YOU AGREE WITH YOURSELF. . .it is US CHRISTIANS you are DIFFERENT FROM.

Until just a few years ago mormons wouldn't even CLAIM to be Christians because they knew they aren't.

But with the Mormon concept with the life of Smith, we see a guy going from bed to bed ,,,,to bed....
Sleeping with many different women.

No you don't; you just imagine it.

I guess you think emma smith and all those OTHER women just imagined it too, huh?

We always remember that Smith would claim to have married a new young girl, then he would sleep with her, then when he was 'finished" he would get up and leave the bed and tell the young girl to go back to her real husband.

The result of this is that while Smith was going from bed to bed....he also was 'turning out" the girls to get used to the idea that they also were to go from bed to bed...haveing sex with many different men.

I think this is a serious case of either projection or envy.

​Do you also think the earth is flat and that the sun rotates around the earth? What YOU THINK doesn't matter to us RATIONAL CHRISTIAN FOLKS. . .

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Christian

Until just a few years ago mormons wouldn't even CLAIM to be Christians because they knew they aren't.

That's false.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Erundur

That's false.

far as I remember, the commercials I saw would close with the words that this was brought to us by "the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints",(then there would be a pause, followed by ...) "The Mormons."


I do not remember hearing them close an ad with the words "The Christians"

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

I do not remember hearing them close an ad with the words "The Christians"

That's because no church would be so arrogant as to call themselves The Christians implying that no one else is.

[alanmolstad]

far as I know, every church I have been a member of has openly called themselves "Christian"...
I dont think I have ever been a member of a church that was shy about calling itself such.........I am also proud to call myself a member of "thee" (one and only) christian church....

I dont think you can find a post where I hedged that ***le for my faith, my church, my religion, or......whatever........

[alanmolstad]

now a better question to ask might be - "Do Mormons like to refer to themselves as "Mormons"?

I do remember when I was growing up that there was some talk that the Mormons I knew were attempting to shy-away from the term "Mormon"...and I also remember that when someone asked if they were Mormon, they would respond, "Well some people do refer to us as such, but we ...."



as far as I know as of late, there are many official Mormon websites that clearly have switched gears again, and now make use of the term "Mormon" without any reservations....

[alanmolstad]

now, as for the question, "Who do I say they are?"...I fall back on the actuall name of their church.

It's called the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints


Just think of that name for a second..

It the "church"...of a "Jesus Christ" not of the "Bible" nor of "history", nor of "tradition" nor of anything else you can point to...

rather it's the church of a jesus christ of the "Latter day saints"....(in other words, "Smith")




It's Smith's Jesus....and the church worships the Jesus that Smith invented...





So it all comes down to the question of who does a person today think Smith was?
Now a Mormon thinks that Smith was a prophet sent from the Lord

I think he was a sexual pervert, that used tall tales to work his way into the beds of younger and younger girls.

He got shot because people had had enough of his sexual perversions.

Smith dies a sexual pervert.




The strong connection between sexual encounters with many young girls and modern religion of "Mormonism" came out to me personally when i worked on a farm owned by a Mormon family in the 80s.
The men I worked with used to spend a lot of time talking to me about the girls they would one day "claim as wife" in the afterlife...
I listened many times to the guys talking about which of their wives' friends they were interested in.....


I once talked to a Mormon guy I worked with and he explained to me at length some things i still to this day dont understand...something about the wives of some of his friends whispering a secret name to him???

Im not sure to this day what he was talking about, But from what he was saying, it's a common concept within Mormon "guy-talk"

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

far as I know, every church I have been a member of has openly called themselves "Christian"...

Hey, me too!

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Erundur

Hey, me too!

just as I have never been a member of a church started by a sexual pervert.

Just as I have never been a member of a church started by a guy who used to come up with reasons to get husbands out of town so he could come sniffing around their wives.

"Hey, me too!"?

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

just as I have never been a member of a church started by a sexual pervert.

Just as I have never been a member of a church started by a guy who used to come up with reasons to get husbands out of town so he could come sniffing around their wives.

Hey, neither have I!

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

just as I have never been a member of a church started by a sexual pervert.

Can you prove it? What denomination do you belong to?


By the way, you might want to re-think your recent comments in light of the forum rules as quoted in my sig line.

[alanmolstad]

Picking a fight with the Mod?

Does that even sound like a smart idea?


(You might want to choose your next words very carefully)

[Christian]

Originally Posted by Erundur

That's because no church would be so arrogant as to call themselves The Christians implying that no one else is.

And yet the UTAH mormons call themselves "THE" mormons, implying that the REST of the 150+ mormon sects AREN'T.

HOW INCONSISTENT!

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Christian

And yet the UTAH mormons call themselves "THE" mormons, implying that the REST of the 150+ mormon sects AREN'T.

Bad ****ogy. "Mormon" actually does imply membership in a specific denomination, whereas "Christian" does not.

[Christian]

[QUOTE=Erundur;173223]

Originally Posted by Christian View Post
YOU claimed that age made no difference. I showed that the people would have to be depicted at different ages for different members of your supposed "forever families" to even LOOK LIKE what is presented to your CURRENT FAMILIES as 'families are forever.'

That makes no sense at all. I have no idea what you're talking about.


OF COURSE you don't. You have your blinders on. You are struggling to hold on to your mormon junk no matter WHAT the TRUTH is.

EXCEPT THAT what the mormon families are presented with NEVER depicts ONE FAMILY OF ALL HUMANITY with MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN IT. They present ONE daddy, ONE mommy, and a couple of little kids.

You want a photograph of all humanity with millions of people in it? Does that actually sound rational to you?

No it does't. Since YOU thought it up, WHY ARE YOU being so irrational?. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

"The pictures" that I see regularly hanging in mormon homes depicting 'forever families,' published by the lds church publishers.

I don't know that pictures you're talking about. Can you produce some?

HOW CONVENIENT that you should tell such FALSHOODS! OF COURSE you DO know what pictures I am talking about; they are UBIQUITOUS in mormon homes everywhere. You sound like a phoney to me.

First I would have to BE wrong before I said any such thing. FOR THAT TO BE SHOWN TO BE TRUE [B]you would have to PRODUCE the photos depicting 'forever families' of mormonism with MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THEM!

No, I would only have to produce one picture that contains one element you claimed they never show.

NOT if you are a RATIONAL person.

Will you now PRETEND that the mormon church does NOT publish the pictures in their bookstores JUST AS I HAVE DESCRIBED THEM? With ONE daddy, ONE mommy, and their children?

Will you NOW PRETEND that the mormon religion depicts to those folks who believe your 'forever families' that those 'families' include MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people?

​Would you REALLY PREVARICATE LIKE THAT?

Of course not; I'm not an anti-Mormon. But I will continue to deny your false, unsupported ***ertions.

You mean my TRUE, FULLY SUPPORTED TO RATIONAL PEOPLE ***ertions.

Do you REALLY WANT TO FALSELY CLAIM that your religion's FALSE and UNSUPPORTED ***ERTION that 'families are forever' is NOT promoting INDIVIDUAL NUCLEAR FAMILIES, BUT IS TALKING ABOUT the ENTIRE FAMILY OF MANKIND FROM ADAM AND EVE?

WHAT A FARCE! You have been CAUGHT, hung out to dry!

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Christian

No it does't. Since YOU thought it up, WHY ARE YOU being so irrational?. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

That's exactly what you said, but it's good that you realize the irrationality of your expectation.

HOW CONVENIENT that you should tell such FALSHOODS! OF COURSE you DO know what pictures I am talking about; they are UBIQUITOUS in mormon homes everywhere.

Easily proven false. The only family pictures in my house are of my family, and they weren't "published by the lds church publishers."

NOT if you are a RATIONAL person.

Actually, YES if you are a RATIONAL person. If you claim that something never happens, I only have to produce one example of that thing happening to prove you wrong.

Will you now PRETEND that the mormon church does NOT publish the pictures in their bookstores JUST AS I HAVE DESCRIBED THEM? With ONE daddy, ONE mommy, and their children?

I still don't know what pictures you're talking about.

You mean my TRUE, FULLY SUPPORTED TO RATIONAL PEOPLE ***ertions.

No, I mean what I said.

Do you REALLY WANT TO FALSELY CLAIM that your religion's FALSE and UNSUPPORTED ***ERTION that 'families are forever' is NOT promoting INDIVIDUAL NUCLEAR FAMILIES, BUT IS TALKING ABOUT the ENTIRE FAMILY OF MANKIND FROM ADAM AND EVE?

Of course I don't want to falsely claim anything; I'm not an anti-Mormon. I truly claim what my church actually teaches, which is the sealing together of the entire family of mankind.

[Christian]

erunder posted:

Of course I don't want to falsely claim anything; I'm not an anti-Mormon. I truly claim what my church actually teaches, which is the sealing together of the entire family of mankind.

By making such a claim, you are VERIFYING that your church is actually committing fraud when it promotes 'forever FAMILIES' (PLURAL referring to the NUCLEAR FAMILY). . .I seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.