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    And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjz and his ***ociates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is for ever and ever is consummated.

    • 1 Enoch 10:11-12




    Then the sixth angel sounded: And I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind.

    • Revelation 9:13-15
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    Again.



    Moot point

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    Again.



    Moot point


    So, We have:

    The Essenes using The book of Enoch Before the time of Christ.

    The Dead sea Scrolls containing The Book of Enoch

    4 Different Church Fathers making Reference To The Book of Enoch as scripture in their writings.

    Archeological Stone Structures built before The Aid of Hydraulic Machines in ancient times that can't even be made or moved in today's time with today's technology.

    The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church From Anceint Times having The Book of Enoch in their Official Canon.



    And All these Things mean nothing to you.

    Yet you still believe and promote: Macroevolution and Heliocentrism. I just can't take your posts seriously.
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    Lots and lots of books were written before the bible.
    ..so that's a moot point.

    The writers of the bible quote all kinds of non-inspired works....so again moot point.

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    Lots on writers quoted all kinds of works in church history. ..but they felt free to do that...

    Did the same guys ever claim that this meant we are to understand the whole work is inspired and equal with scriptures? .





    I will pause while you GOOGLE that. ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    ....so again moot point.

    No, they are not moot points.
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    Did the same guys ever claim that this meant we are to understand the whole book of Enoch is inspired and equal with scriptures? .......the answer is no.


    My point is that writers throughout church history have used different sources to make different arguments.
    While some people today try to make a big deal over the fact that a writer quoted from Enoch, they seem to skip-over the fact that many non-inspired books are quoted within the text of the Bible.

    The earrly church writers felt free to do this.
    They felt free to use whatever source they wanted as long as it worked to help their arguments..

    So when we read such quotations taken out of non-inspired works we must do so with the knowledge that this use of a book of Enoch quotations does not mean for one moment that the writer is supporting the entire work as being equal to the Bible.

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    John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:

    Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the Seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

    • Revelation 1:4-5



    When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. And I saw The Seven Angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.
    • Revelation 8:1-2



    The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The Seven Stars Are The Angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.
    • Revelation 1:20



    And these are the Names of The Holy Angels who watch. Uriel, one of the holy angels, who is over the world and over Tartarus. Raphael, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men. Raguel, one of the holy angels who †takes vengeance on† the world of the luminaries. Michael, one of the holy angels, to wit, he that is set over the best part of mankind ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ over chaos. . Saraql, one of the holy angels, who is set over the spirits, who sin in the spirit. Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim. Remiel, one of the holy angels, whom God set over those who rise.

    • 1 Enoch 20





    But to which of the angels has He ever said:

    “Sit at My right hand,
    Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?
    Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

    • Hebrews 1:13-14
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    A Collective Post of Church Fathers and Others Quoting The Book of Enoch, Mentioning The Book of Enoch or making reference to Fallen Angels mating with human women :





    Church Father Tertullian Literally Calls The Book of Enoch Scripture:



    1. • Tertullian - On the Apparel of Women - Book 1 - Chapter 3:1-3 (160-220 A.D.)

    “I am aware that The Scripture of Enoch which has ***igned this order of action to angels, is not received by some, because it is not admitted into the Jewish canon either. I suppose they did not think that, having been published before the deluge, it could have safely survived that world-wide calamity, the abolisher of all things. If that is the reason for rejecting it, let them recall to their memory that Noah, the survivor of the deluge, was the great-grandson of Enoch himself; and he, of course, had heard and remembered, from domestic renown and hereditary tradition, concerning his own great-grandfather’s ‘grace in the sight of God,’ (Genesis 6:8) and concerning all his preachings; since Enoch had given no other charge to Methuselah than that he should hand on the knowledge of them to his posterity. Noah therefore, no doubt, might have succeeded in the trusteeship of his preaching; or, had the case been otherwise, he would not have been silent alike concerning the disposition of things made by God, his Preserver, and concerning the particular glory of his own house.
    “If Noah had not had this conservative power by so short a route, there would still be this consideration to warrant our ***ertion of the genuineness of this Scripture: he could equally have renewed it, under the Spirit’s inspiration, after it had been destroyed by the violence of the deluge, as, after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonian storming of it, every document of the Jewish literature is generally agreed to have been restored through Ezra.
    But since Enoch in the same Scripture has preached likewise concerning the Lord, nothing at all must be rejected by us which pertains to us; and we read that ‘every Scripture suitable for edification is divinely inspired.’ (2 Timothy 3:16) By the Jews it may now seem to have been rejected for that very reason, just like all the other portions nearly which tell of Christ. Nor, of course, is this fact wonderful, that they did not receive some Scriptures which spake of Him whom even in person, speaking in their presence, they were not to receive. To these considerations is added the fact that Enoch possesses a testimony in the Apostle Jude.” (Jude 1:14-15)

    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0402.htm





    2. • Tertullian - On the Apparel of Women - Book 2 - Chapter 10 - (160-220 A.D.)

    But, if the self-same angels who disclosed both the material substances of this kind and their charms— of gold, I mean, and lustrous stones— and taught men how to work them, and by and by instructed them, among their other (instructions), in (the virtues of) eyelid-powder and the dyeings of fleeces, have been condemned by God, As Enoch Tells Us, how shall we please God while we joy in the things of those (angles) who, on these accounts, have provoked the anger and the vengeance of God?

    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0402.htm





    Tertullian Quoting 1 Enoch 99:6-7



    3. • Tertullian - On Idolatry - Chapter 4 (160-220 A.D.)

    Enoch had preceded, predicting that the demons, and the spirits of the angelic apostates, would turn into idolatry all the elements, all the garniture of the universe, all things contained in the heaven, in the sea, in the earth, that they might be consecrated as God, in opposition to God. All things, therefore, does human error worship, except the Founder of all Himself. The images of those things are idols; the consecration of the images is idolatry. Whatever guilt idolatry incurs, must necessarily be imputed to every artificer of every idol. In short, the same Enoch fore-condemns in general menace both idol-worshippers and idol-makers together. And again: "I swear to you, sinners, that against the day of perdition of blood repentance is being prepared. You who serve stones, and you who make images of gold, and silver, and wood, and stones and clay, and serve phantoms, and demons, and spiritsin fanes, and all errors not according to knowledge, shall find no help from them "

    • Tertullian - On Idolatry - Chapter 4 (160-220 A.D.)

    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0302.htm



    And again I swear to you, ye sinners, that sin is prepared for a day of unceasing bloodshed. And they who worship stones, and grave images of gold and silver and wood (and stone) and clay, and those who worship impure spirits and demons, and all kinds of idols not according to knowledge, shall get no manner of help from them.

    • 1 Enoch 99:6-7

    http://reluctant-messenger.com/book_of_enoch.htm





    4. • Origen - de Principiis - Book 1 - Chapter 3 - Section 3 (185-254 A.D.)

    That all things were created by God, and that there is no creature which exists but has derived from Him its being, is established from many declarations of Scripture; those ***ertions being refuted and rejected which are falsely alleged by some respecting the existence either of a matter co-eternal with God, or of unbegotten souls, in which they would have it that God implanted not so much the power of existence, as equality and order. For even in that little treatise called The Pastor or Angel of Repentance, composed by Hennas, we have the following: "First of all, believe that there is one God who created and arranged all things; who, when nothing formerly existed, caused all things to be; who Himself contains all things, but Himself is contained by none." And In The Book Of Enoch Also We Have Similar Descriptions.

    http://ecmarsh.com/fathers/anf/ANF-0...#P6244_1101010







    5. • Anatolius (3rd Century)- Ante Nicene Fathers - Book 6 - Section 5

    But I shall p*** on without demanding such copious demonstrations (on subjects ) from which the veil of the Mosaic law has been removed; for now it remains for us with unveiled face to behold ever as in a gl*** Christ Himself and the doctrines and sufferings of Christ. But that the first month among the Hebrews is about the equinox, Is Clearly Shown Also By What Is Taught In The Book Of Enoch.

    http://ecmarsh.com/fathers/anf/ANF-0...m#P2468_688069





    6. • Justin Martyr wrote in his Second Apology - Chapter 5 (100-165 A.D.)

    But the angels transgressed this appointment, and were captivated by love of women, and begat children who are those that are called demons; and besides, they afterwards subdued the human race to themselves, partly by magical writings, and partly by fears and the punishments they occasioned, and partly by teaching them to offer sacrifices, and incense, and libations, of which things they stood in need after they were enslaved by lustful p***ions; and among men they sowed murders, wars, adulteries, intemperate deeds, and all wickedness. Whence also the poets and mythologists, not knowing that it was the angels and those demons who had been begotten by them that did these things to men, and women, and cities, and nations, which they related, ascribed them to god himself, and to those who were accounted to be his very offspring, and to the offspring of those who were called his brothers, Neptune and Pluto, and to the children again of these their offspring. For whatever name each of the angels had given to himself and his children, by that name they called them“.

    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0127.htm
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    7. • Athenagoras of Alexandria - A Plea For The Christians - Chapters 24 and 25 : (133-190 A.D.)

    Just as with men, who have freedom of choice as to both virtue and vice (for you would not either honour the good or punish the bad, unless vice and virtue were in their own power; and some are diligent in the matters entrusted to them by you, and others faithless), so is it among the angels. Some, free agents, you will observe, such as they were created by God, continued in those things for which God had made and over which He had ordained them; but some outraged both the cons***ution of their nature and the government entrusted to them: namely, this ruler of matter and its various forms, and others of those who were placed about this first firmament (you know that we say nothing without witnesses, but state the things which have been declared by the prophets); these fell into impure love of virgins, and were subjugated by the flesh, and he became negligent and wicked in the management of the things entrusted to him. Of these lovers of virgins, therefore, were begotten those who are called giants. And if something has been said by the poets, too, about the giants, be not surprised at this: worldly Wisdom and divine differ as much from each other as truth and plausibility: the one is of heaven and the other of earth; and indeed, according to the prince of matter,- Chapter 24



    These angels, then, who have fallen from heaven, and haunt the air and the earth, and are no longer able to rise to heavenly things, and the souls of the giants, which are the demons who wander about the world, perform actions similar, the one (that is, the demons) to the natures they have received, the other (that is, the angels) to the appe***es they have indulged. But the prince of matter, as may be seen merely from what transpires, exercises a control and management contrary to the good that is in God:- Chapter 25

    http://ecmarsh.com/fathers/anf/ANF-0...m#P2397_653146





    8. • Irenaeus - The Proof of the Apostolic Preaching 18 (130-202 A.D)

    “And for a very long while wickedness extended and spread, and reached and laid hold upon the whole race of mankind, until a very small seed of righteousness remained among them: and illicit unions took place upon the earth, since angels were united with the daughters of the race of mankind; and they bore to them sons who for their exceeding greatness were called giants. And the angels brought as presents to their wives teachings of wickedness, in that they brought them the virtues of roots and herbs, dyeing in colours and cosmetics, the discovery of rare substances, love-potions, aversions, amours, concupiscence, constraints of love, spells of bewitchment, and all sorcery and idolatry hateful to God; by the entry of which things into the world evil extended and spread, while righteousness was diminished and enfeebled.”

    http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/irenaeus_02_proof.htm

    http://torahdrivenlife.com/articles/...book-of-enoch/







    9. • ***us Flavius Josephus - The Antiquities of the Jews - Book 1 - Chapter 3

    (37-100 A.D.)


    Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations; but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their forefathers, and did neither pay those honors to God which were appointed to them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shown for virtue, they now showed by their actions a double degree of wickedness; whereby they made God to be their enemy, for Many Angels Of God Accompanied With Women And Begat Sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians Called Giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did; and, being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions and their acts for the better; but, seeing that they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married; so he departed out of that land.

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2848...m#link2HCH0003







    10. • Philo of Alexandria - On The Giants - (25 B.C.-50 A.D.)

    And when The Angels of God saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, They Took Unto Themselves Wives of all of them whom they Chose." Those beings, whom other philosophers call demons, Moses usually calls angels; and they are souls hovering in the air. And let no one suppose, that what is here stated is a fable, for it is necessarily true that the universe must be filled with living things in all its parts, since every one of its primary and elementary portions contains its appropriate animals and such as are consistent with its nature; --the earth containing terrestrial animals, the sea and the rivers containing aquatic animals, and the fire such as are born in the fire (but it is said, that such as these last are found chiefly in Macedonia), and the heaven containing the stars: for these also are entire souls pervading the universe, being unadulterated and divine, inasmuch as they move in a circle, which is the kind of motion most akin to the mind, for every one of them is the parent mind.

    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/yonge/book9.html
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    11. • Archelaus - The Acts of The Disputation with The Heresiarch Manes - Chapter 32 (3rd Century)

    Hence also certain of The Angels, refusing to submit themselves to the commandment of God, resisted His will; and one of them indeed fell like a flash of lightning upon the earth, While Others, har***ed by the dragon, sought their felicity In Intercourse With The Daughters Of Men, and thus brought on themselves the merited award of the punishment of eternal fire.

    http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf06.vii.iii.xxxi.html





    12. • Commodi**** - The Instructions of Commodi**** - Chapter 3 - (3rd Century)

    When Almighty God, to beautify the nature of the world, willed that that earth should be visited By Angels, when they were sent down they despised His laws. Such was the beauty of women, that it turned them aside; so that, being contaminated, they could not return to heaven. Rebels from God, they uttered words against Him. Then the Highest uttered His judgment against them; and from their Seed Giants are said to have been born. By them arts were made known in the earth, and they taught the dyeing of wool, and everything which is done; and to them, when they died, men erected images. But the Almighty, because they were of an evil seed, did not approve that, when dead, they should be brought back from death. Whence wandering they now subvert many bodies, and it is such as these especially that ye this day worship and pray to as gods.

    http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf04.v.ii.iv.html





    13. • Eusebius of Caesarea - Preparations - Book 5 - Chapter 4 - (263-339 A.D.)

    And this argument is still further confirmed by Plutarch, in the p***age where he says that the mythical narratives told as concerning gods are certain tales about daemons, and the deeds of Giants and ***ans celebrated in song among the Greeks are also stories about daemons, intended to suggest a new phase of thought.

    Of this kind then perhaps were the statements in the Sacred Scripture concerning the giants before the Mood, and those concerning their progenitors, of whom it is said, 'And when The Angels of God saw The Daughters Of Men that they were fair, They Took Unto Them Wives Of All That They Chose,' and of these were born 'The Giants the men of renown which were of old.'

    For one might say That These Demons Are Those Giants, And That Their Spirits Have Been Deified By The Subsequent Generations Of Men, and that their battles, and their quarrels among themselves, and their wars are the subjects of these legends that are told as of gods. Plutarch indeed, in the discourse which he composed On Isis and the gods of the Egyptians, speaks as follows word for word:

    http://www.ccel.org/ccel/pe****/more...e_05_book5.htm






    14. • Tertullian- The Five Books Against Marcion - Book 5 - Chapter 18 - (160-220 A.D.)
    But “the spiritual wickedness” did not signify the Creator, because of the apostle’s additional description, “in heavenly places;” for the apostle was quite aware that “spiritual wickedness” had been at work in heavenly places, when angels were entrapped into sin by the daughters of men


    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03125.htm




    15. • Tertullian - On Idolatry - Chapter 9 - (160-220 A.D.)
    One proposition I lay down: that those angels, the deserters from God, the lovers of women, were likewise the discoverers of this curious art, on that account also condemned by God.

    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0302.htm



    16. • Tertullian - On Prayer - Chapter 22 - (160-220 A.D.)
    For indeed it is “on account of the angels” that he saith women must be veiled, because on account of “the daughters of men” angels revolted from God.

    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0322.htm
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    17. • Irenaeus - Against Heresies - Book 4 - Chapter 36 -
    (130-202 A.D.)

    Since the Son of God is always one and the same, He gives to those who believe on Him a well of water [springing up] to eternal life, but He causes the unfruitful fig-tree immediately to dry up; and in the days of Noah He justly brought on the deluge for the purpose of extinguishing that most infamous race of men then existent, who could not bring forth fruit to God, since the angels that sinned had commingled with them, and [acted as He did] in order that He might put a check upon the sins of these men, but [that at the same time] He might preserve the archetype, the formation of Adam

    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103436.htm





    18. • Irenaeus - Against Heresies - Book 4 - Chapter 16 - (130-202 A.D.)
    Enoch, too, pleasing God, without circumcision, discharged the office of God’s legate to the angels although he was a man, and was translated, and is preserved until now as a witness of the just judgment of God, because the angels when they had transgressed fell to the earth for judgment, but the man who pleased [God] was translated for salvation.

    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103416.htm





    19. • Clement - The Stromata - Book 5 - Chapter 1 - (150-215 A.D.)

    And we showed in the first Miscellany that the philosophers of the Greeks are called thieves, inasmuch as they have taken without acknowledgment their principal dogmas from Moses and the prophets. To which also we shall add, that the angels who had obtained the superior rank, having sunk into pleasures, told to the women the secrets which had come to their knowledge; while the rest of the angels concealed them, or rather, kept them against the coming of the Lord. Thence emanated the doctrine of providence, and the revelation of high things; and prophecy having already been imparted to the philosophers of the Greeks, the treatment of dogma arose among the philosophers,
    http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...ata-book5.html






    20. • Lactantius (3rd to 4th Century) The Divine Ins***utes - The Epitome, - Chapter 27
    But when God saw this, He sent His angels to instruct the race of men, and to protect them from all evil. He gave these a command to abstain from earthly things, lest, being polluted by any taint, they should be deprived of the honour of angels. But that wily accuser, while they tarried among men, allured these also to pleasures, so that they might defile themselves with women. Then, being condemned by the sentence of God, and cast forth on account of their sins, they lost both the name and substance of angels. Thus, having become ministers of the devil, that they might have a solace of their ruin, they betook themselves to the ruining of men, for whose protection they had come.






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    https://tasbeha.org/community/discus...ok-of-enoch/p3

    http://www.sherryshriner.com/church-coverup.htm

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    "Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in ***us 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.

    We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God."

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