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    Simply believing in someone named Jesus will not solve the issue for Mormons because — as the apostle Paul warns in 2 Corinthians 11:4 — there are some who preach a different Jesus. For example, while the Bible teaches that Jesus has always existed as God (John 1:1), Mormons see Jesus as someone who worked His way up to godhood. In fact, to Mormons, Jesus is merely one in purpose with God the Father; whereas the Bible declares that the Father and the Son are also one in essence (cf. Phil. 2:6) — that they are both equally God and members of the Holy Trinity.

    http://www.equip.org/perspectives/wh...-of-the-bible/

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    This leads me to what is perhaps the most problematic matter facing Mormons with regard to their view of Christ. You see, in their attempt to evade charges of polytheism — which, of course, is the belief in or worship of more than one god — Mormons end up prohibiting prayer to Jesus. Mormons confess that they believe in the existence of many gods but pray only to God the Father. Well, in light of the Bible’s explicit command to pray to Jehovah (cf. Deut. 4:7; 2 Chron. 7:14; Pss. 5:2; 32:6; Jer. 29:7, 12), it’s simply incredible that Mormons refuse to pray to Jesus while yet acknowledging Him to be Jehovah! In addition, let me point you to p***ages like John 14:14 and Romans 10:12 which demonstrate beyond the shadow of a doubt that believers ought to pray to Jesus.

    http://www.equip.org/perspectives/wh...-of-the-bible/

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    Hinckley says that Mormons believe in a different Jesus.
    https://carm.org/hinckley-says-mormo...ifferent-jesus

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    In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world (McConkie, Bruce, Mormon Doctrine, p. 192, 321, 516, 589). Jesus is the literal spirit brother of the devil and you and I (McConkie, p. 192, 589). Also, in Mormon theology, God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants 130:22) as does his wife, and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth.

    https://carm.org/hinckley-says-mormo...ifferent-jesus

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    Mormon Jesus


    The literal son of god and his goddess wife begotten in the pre-existence.
    The brother of all spirits born in heaven in the premortal existence.
    One of 3 gods in the godhead.
    The Trinity is three separate gods.
    First one to receive a spirit body.
    Atoned for sin on the cross and in the garden of Gethsemane.





    Christian Jesus


    Not the literal son of god and his goddess wife.
    Not the brother of all spirits born in heaven in a premortal existence.
    Not one of 3 gods in the godhead.
    The Trinity is 3 persons in one God.
    Was always spirit from eternity.
    Atoned for sin on the cross alone.

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    “As a church we have critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say” (Gordon Hinckley, “We look to Christ,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 2002, p. 90).

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    “And virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit” (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pg.269).

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    “It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (Bernard P. Brockbank, “The Living Christ,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 1977, p. 26).

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    “Christ worked out his own salvation by worshiping the Father. After the Firstborn of the Father, while yet a spirit being, had gained power and intelligence that made him like unto God; after he had become, under the Father, the Creator of worlds without number; after he had reigned on the throne of eternal power as the Lord Omnipotent-after all this he yet had to gain a mortal and then an immortal body” (Sermons and Writings of Bruce R. McConkie, 1966, p. 61).

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    “Jesus became a God and reached His great state of understanding through consistent effort and continuous obedience to all the Gospel truths and universal laws” (Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 51).

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    “That Jesus attained eternal perfection following his resurrection is confirmed in the Book of Mormon. It records the visit of the resurrected Lord to the people of ancient America. There he repeated the important injunction previously cited but with one very significant addition. He said, ‘I would that ye should be perfect even as I, or your Father who is in heaven is perfect.’ This time he listed himself along with his Father as a perfected personage. Previously he had not” (Russell M. Nelson, “Perfection Pending,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 1995, p. 87).

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    “The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind” (Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15).

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    “Jesus was the firstborn spirit child of God the Father and thus the recipient of the birthright of the royal family. As such, and in that premortal realm, he was the Elder Brother of all of the spirit sons and daughters of the Father” (BYU Professor Robert L. Millet, A Different Jesus? The Christ of the Latter-day Saints, p. 20).

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    “Christians speak often of the blood of Christ and its cleansing power. Much that is believed and taught on this subject, however, is such utter nonsense and so palpably false that to believe it is to lose one’s salvation. Many go so far, for instance, as to pretend, at least, to believe that if we confess Christ with our lips and avow that we accept him as our personal Savior, we are thereby saved. His blood, without other act than mere belief, they say, makes us clean” (LDS Tract ***led What the Mormons Think of Christ, p. 31).

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    So yes, the Mormon Jesus is a False Christ......its fake!

    The difference is clear to anyone reading this that the Mormons teach false ideas about Christ that are not supported by the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    "What is the difference between the Mormon Jesus and the Jesus of the Bible? "
    There is no difference. There is only one Jesus Christ.

    Our beliefs are not dictated by anti-Mormon websites.

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    erunder posted:

    There is no difference. There is only one Jesus Christ.

    FALSE according to Jesus:


    Matt 24:24-25
    For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
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    Our beliefs are not dictated by anti-Mormon websites.

    No, they are dictated by false 'prophets' instead.

    joey smith was your earliest false prophet. He claimed that HIS 'jesus' was a 'spirit brother' to satan.

    Since when did satan have a spirit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian View Post
    FALSE according to Jesus:
    False. Jesus never said there was more than one of him. He said there would be false christs, not multiple Jesus Christs.

    No, they are dictated by false 'prophets' instead.

    joey smith was your earliest false prophet. He claimed that HIS 'jesus' was a 'spirit brother' to satan.
    Worthless anti-Mormon hate-rhetoric.

    Since when did satan have a spirit?
    Since his spirit was created. He is a spirit without a physical body.

  19. #119
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    Please review the rules concerning the use of "Derogatory Terms"

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    You want proof that the Mormon teachings about Jesus are wrong?....

    In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world
    (McConkie, Bruce, Mormon Doctrine, p. 192, 321, 516, 589).





    There you go!

    The Mormon teachings are clearly different than the teachings of the Bible.

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    “As a church we have critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say”


    (Gordon Hinckley, “We look to Christ,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 2002, p. 90).




    There we see the Mormons admitting that they do not believe in the same Christ as is believed in Christianity!

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    To prove that the Mormon teachings of salvation are different than the Bible's teachings, all you have to do is read what the mormons say to see how different it really is!




    “Christians speak often of the blood of Christ and its cleansing power. Much that is believed and taught on this subject, however, is such utter nonsense and so palpably false that to believe it is to lose one’s salvation. Many go so far, for instance, as to pretend, at least, to believe that if we confess Christ with our lips and avow that we accept him as our personal Savior, we are thereby saved. His blood, without other act than mere belief, they say, makes us clean[/I]”

    (LDS Tract ***led What the Mormons Think of Christ, p. 31)





    There, in the quote above we see proven that the Mormon salvation is totally against what the bible teaches!

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