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    jade84116
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    What do you think of the UPCI's holiness standards? What do you think of their refusal to serve in the military or politics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jade84116 View Post
    What do you think of the UPCI's holiness standards? What do you think of their refusal to serve in the military or politics?

    jade,
    I wasn'rt aware that oneness refused to serve in the military.
    My only son served in Vietnom. He came home safely.

    Holiness standards ? God looks on the heart of man, not his outside appearance.
    Although, I agree, modesty is the key word in our dress, especially for today.
    I can't understand why you can't cut your hair?
    Paul was preaching to the Corinthian church, to the Jews.
    This is a cultural issue. This is 2009, not 55 AD.
    However, if you want to keep your hair long, I guess it's okay, as long as you aren't judging those who chose not to.
    Do you believe this as a salvation issue?

    God bless,
    jean

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    Quote Originally Posted by jean View Post
    Do you believe this as a salvation issue?
    I've no opinion. I just wanted to know what others thought for my own edification.

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    7But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

    You notice in this scripture it says God looks at our heart he see's where men can not see.
    Man see's the outward appearance of a person, so the way we dress is how men will see us, in
    Deut 22 vs 5.The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. of course in the days of Abraham men wore robes as well as woman BUT.. womens robes were longer then the mens, and men wore pant's under their robes.. they still had their distinguish clothes both for men and woman... Abomination means Extreme hatred-in saying that time's have changed now they have turned menswear into womenswear (Pant's shorts etc)
    in Corinthians 6v 9-10 it says 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Effeminate a person who dresses like a woman or Man, in saying this alot of clothes, pants look great on women and they do look like women, and I will say that only God is the judge not man, I don't frown on woman walking into the church with a pants on, I love them the way God loves them because he doe's the changes not us. what it is, men look at a women diferently from a womens point, and they see all the curves of a women, even tho we can not stop a man from lusting we can do our best to try not to provoke it from happening, by not revealing too much of our body, long skirts past the knees, not too tight, no low blouses to show our chest, etc Modest apparel for God.. Our hair 1 corinthians 11
    13.Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
    14Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
    15But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
    Did you know our long hair is a covering for our husbands and our children, it has power thats why God says its a glory for her... remember Man changes God never changes
    and his word never changes... Ive known alot of people especially ministers of God where their wifes have cut their hair, the men are now with another women out of church and the children are in the world, so my hair is a covering for my husband and my children, I want to be safe and please God I don't care what men think about my way of dress or my long hair, I do it because I want to please our God

    God Bless sorry for taking up your whole page
    Sister Kat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    7But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

    You notice in this scripture it says God looks at our heart he see's where men can not see.
    Man see's the outward appearance of a person, so the way we dress is how men will see us, in
    Deut 22 vs 5.The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. of course in the days of Abraham men wore robes as well as woman BUT.. womens robes were longer then the mens, and men wore pant's under their robes.. they still had their distinguish clothes both for men and woman... Abomination means Extreme hatred-in saying that time's have changed now they have turned menswear into womenswear (Pant's shorts etc)
    in Corinthians 6v 9-10 it says 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Effeminate a person who dresses like a woman or Man, in saying this alot of clothes, pants look great on women and they do look like women, and I will say that only God is the judge not man, I don't frown on woman walking into the church with a pants on, I love them the way God loves them because he doe's the changes not us. what it is, men look at a women diferently from a womens point, and they see all the curves of a women, even tho we can not stop a man from lusting we can do our best to try not to provoke it from happening, by not revealing too much of our body, long skirts past the knees, not too tight, no low blouses to show our chest, etc Modest apparel for God.. Our hair 1 corinthians 11
    13.Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
    14Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
    15But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
    Did you know our long hair is a covering for our husbands and our children, it has power thats why God says its a glory for her... remember Man changes God never changes
    and his word never changes... Ive known alot of people especially ministers of God where their wifes have cut their hair, the men are now with another women out of church and the children are in the world, so my hair is a covering for my husband and my children, I want to be safe and please God I don't care what men think about my way of dress or my long hair, I do it because I want to please our God

    God Bless sorry for taking up your whole page
    Sister Kat

    Duet. 22:5 refers to transves***es. This verse refers to men and women. They not to reverse their sexual roles.
    If a lady is wearing jeans or slacks today that doesn't mean she is trying to change her sexual iden***y. she is just wearing what is in style today.

    About the length of hair. 1Cor 11:10 reads, ""For this reson a woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head." In this case it is a veil.
    Not the length of hair.
    Verse 16 refers to this as a custom. Customs change. We are longer wearing robes or sandals. Where do you draw the line? We could join the Amish church. They seem to have a dress code too.

    God bless,
    jean

    God bess,
    jean

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    It refers to women in men's clothing and not Transves***es at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Carr View Post
    It refers to women in men's clothing and not Transves***es at all.
    The New Testament instruction in Galatians 3:28 that “there is neither male or female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus” applied to status in God’s sight and not to dress.

    The UPC has taken slacks and created a huge issue out of them, and left every other article of clothing on the sidelines. If the UPC would apply their rules consistently then I could respect their views, even though I disagree with them. But when I see UPC pastors preach against women wearing slacks from the pulpit, and then I go visit them in their homes and see their wives and daughters walking around in pajama pants, then I see hypocrisy, not holiness!
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    AN ABOMINATION for a woman to wear clothing pertaining to that of a man. MEN'S PANTS AND JEANS worn by women are a abomination.

    Women paitning their faces to attract men to look at them and their beauty and not Christ.

    Women wearing jewels and jewelery to be flashy and attract men and not after Christ, but after themlselves.

    Women cutting their hair to not only dress like men, but look like them to try and take power from men and usurp their position because they tell women how to quit playing with sin, but live Holy like Oneness women.

    What goes on in the privacy of their home is their personal walk with Gd and not in public, you are now grabbing at straws trying to defend your own lifestyle and grievances against God.

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    The overt and extreme legalism you espouse is not held by Scripture and is the sociological element that also qualifies you and the UPCI and Oneness Pentecostalism in general as cultic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beukeboom View Post
    The overt and extreme legalism you espouse is not held by Scripture and is the sociological element that also qualifies you and the UPCI and Oneness Pentecostalism in general as cultic.

    Note he has issues women, probably a lust one! These type go on and on about women, not one word of what set their men apart...Pharisees are very much alive amongst them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Carr View Post
    AN ABOMINATION for a woman to wear clothing pertaining to that of a man. MEN'S PANTS AND JEANS worn by women are a abomination..
    LIES!

    Women paitning their faces to attract men to look at them and their beauty and not Christ.
    LIES!

    Women wearing jewels and jewelery to be flashy and attract men and not after Christ, but after themlselves.
    LIES!

    Women cutting their hair to not only dress like men, but look like them to try and take power from men and usurp their position because they tell women how to quit playing with sin, but live Holy like Oneness women
    .

    Again more untruths, but that the norm with you people....


    What goes on in the privacy of their home is their personal walk with Gd and not in public, you are now grabbing at straws trying to defend your own lifestyle and grievances against God.

    LOL!! YEAH right!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildCard~ View Post
    LIES!



    LIES!



    LIES!

    .

    Again more untruths, but that the norm with you people....





    LOL!! YEAH right!!!
    Spoken like a true man of God.
    Are you aware of this p***age, 1 Jn.4:10-11 "Love one another." verse 19--21 "Whoever loves God must also love his brother"

    Do you really believe that oneness pentecostals are the only believers that are going to be saved??? That would mean Christ died on the cross for one Church. Do you really believe this?
    Is this what your leaders teach you? I sincerely hope not.

    jean

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    Quote Originally Posted by jean View Post
    Spoken like a true man of God.
    Are you aware of this p***age, 1 Jn.4:10-11 "Love one another." verse 19--21 "Whoever loves God must also love his brother"

    Do you really believe that oneness pentecostals are the only believers that are going to be saved??? That would mean Christ died on the cross for one Church. Do you really believe this?
    Is this what your leaders teach you? I sincerely hope not.

    jean
    Hi Jean~ I'm a she... I'm an ex-UPCIer....I no longer believe those things, I was set free~

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildCard~ View Post
    Hi Jean~ I'm a she... I'm an ex-UPCIer....I no longer believe those things, I was set free~
    Thank you for the update.
    Very happy you left upci. I have two dear friends that are still involved with this church.

    In my opinion their pastor will have to answer for teaching false doctrine.
    The fact they deny the Trinity is bad enough but they also deny the sufficiency of Jesus to save them. they rely on works. ie, 'speaking in tongues

    Lets pray for them,
    jeanm'

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    jean
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildCard~ View Post
    LIES!



    LIES!



    LIES!

    .

    Again more untruths, but that the norm with you people....





    LOL!! YEAH right!!!

    I have never been mistaken for a man. My husband knew I was a female in the beginning.
    I don't know one lady friend of mine that has been ever mistaken for a man because she had slacks on.
    Have you noticed, Women aren't built like men. We shop for our clothing in the ladies department.
    Don't believe everything you think.

    jean

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    Quote Originally Posted by jean View Post
    I have never been mistaken for a man. My husband knew I was a female in the beginning.
    I don't know one lady friend of mine that has been ever mistaken for a man because she had slacks on.
    Have you noticed, Women aren't built like men. We shop for our clothing in the ladies department.
    Don't believe everything you think.

    jean

    Same here, my hubby knew I was all woman....

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Carr View Post
    AN ABOMINATION for a woman to wear clothing pertaining to that of a man. MEN'S PANTS AND JEANS worn by women are a abomination.

    Women paitning their faces to attract men to look at them and their beauty and not Christ.

    Women wearing jewels and jewelery to be flashy and attract men and not after Christ, but after themlselves.

    Women cutting their hair to not only dress like men, but look like them to try and take power from men and usurp their position because they tell women how to quit playing with sin, but live Holy like Oneness women.

    What goes on in the privacy of their home is their personal walk with Gd and not in public, you are now grabbing at straws trying to defend your own lifestyle and grievances against God.

    Duet 22:5 reads,"A woman shall not wear mens apparel, nor shall a man put on a womans garment; For whoever does such is abhorrent to the Lord
    God."
    What this means is.. Men and women are not to reverse their sexual roles. It is not a statement about clothing styles. It refers to transves***es.
    Oneness interpretation is in error.
    Please look this up in any Commentary.

    jean
    PS, I have never seen a woman 'paint' their face, nor wear the gaudy jewelry you described. Your being very rude.
    I can ***ure you, men aren't the least bit interested in a ladies jewelry, are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Carr View Post
    AN ABOMINATION for a woman to wear clothing pertaining to that of a man. MEN'S PANTS AND JEANS worn by women are a abomination.

    Women paitning their faces to attract men to look at them and their beauty and not Christ.

    Women wearing jewels and jewelery to be flashy and attract men and not after Christ, but after themlselves.

    Women cutting their hair to not only dress like men, but look like them to try and take power from men and usurp their position because they tell women how to quit playing with sin, but live Holy like Oneness women.

    What goes on in the privacy of their home is their personal walk with Gd and not in public, you are now grabbing at straws trying to defend your own lifestyle and grievances against God.
    john,
    Where are the scriptures to support your views? i'm not interested in your opinion.

    jean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    7But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

    You notice in this scripture it says God looks at our heart he see's where men can not see.
    Man see's the outward appearance of a person, so the way we dress is how men will see us, in
    Deut 22 vs 5.The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. of course in the days of Abraham men wore robes as well as woman BUT.. womens robes were longer then the mens, and men wore pant's under their robes.. they still had their distinguish clothes both for men and woman... Abomination means Extreme hatred-in saying that time's have changed now they have turned menswear into womenswear (Pant's shorts etc)
    in Corinthians 6v 9-10 it says 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Effeminate a person who dresses like a woman or Man, in saying this alot of clothes, pants look great on women and they do look like women, and I will say that only God is the judge not man, I don't frown on woman walking into the church with a pants on, I love them the way God loves them because he doe's the changes not us. what it is, men look at a women diferently from a womens point, and they see all the curves of a women, even tho we can not stop a man from lusting we can do our best to try not to provoke it from happening, by not revealing too much of our body, long skirts past the knees, not too tight, no low blouses to show our chest, etc Modest apparel for God.. Our hair 1 corinthians 11
    13.Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
    14Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
    15But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
    Did you know our long hair is a covering for our husbands and our children, it has power thats why God says its a glory for her... remember Man changes God never changes
    and his word never changes... Ive known alot of people especially ministers of God where their wifes have cut their hair, the men are now with another women out of church and the children are in the world, so my hair is a covering for my husband and my children, I want to be safe and please God I don't care what men think about my way of dress or my long hair, I do it because I want to please our God

    God Bless sorry for taking up your whole page
    Sister Kat

    kat,
    We are interested in what you believe.
    How is the length of your hair considerd a covering for your family?
    We as christians are covered by the shed blood of Christ, not the length of our hair. The length of hair? This is simply a cultural issue.

    Do you view this custom that you practice a salvation issue? If so, where does it read that you are saved by the length of your hair?
    There are two main sacraments for christians, baptism and Holy Communion.
    Long hair is not a sacrament.

    God bless,
    jean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    7But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

    You notice in this scripture it says God looks at our heart he see's where men can not see.
    Man see's the outward appearance of a person, so the way we dress is how men will see us, in
    Deut 22 vs 5.The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. of course in the days of Abraham men wore robes as well as woman BUT.. womens robes were longer then the mens, and men wore pant's under their robes.. they still had their distinguish clothes both for men and woman... Abomination means Extreme hatred-in saying that time's have changed now they have turned menswear into womenswear (Pant's shorts etc)
    in Corinthians 6v 9-10 it says 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Effeminate a person who dresses like a woman or Man, in saying this alot of clothes, pants look great on women and they do look like women, and I will say that only God is the judge not man, I don't frown on woman walking into the church with a pants on, I love them the way God loves them because he doe's the changes not us. what it is, men look at a women diferently from a womens point, and they see all the curves of a women, even tho we can not stop a man from lusting we can do our best to try not to provoke it from happening, by not revealing too much of our body, long skirts past the knees, not too tight, no low blouses to show our chest, etc Modest apparel for God.. Our hair 1 corinthians 11
    13.Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
    14Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
    15But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
    Did you know our long hair is a covering for our husbands and our children, it has power thats why God says its a glory for her... remember Man changes God never changes
    and his word never changes... Ive known alot of people especially ministers of God where their wifes have cut their hair, the men are now with another women out of church and the children are in the world, so my hair is a covering for my husband and my children, I want to be safe and please God I don't care what men think about my way of dress or my long hair, I do it because I want to please our God

    God Bless sorry for taking up your whole page
    Sister Kat

    Yes, your right, God's word does not change, only the interpretation of his word.
    Have you noticed, no other christian church views the oneness Pentecostal's view? Do you ever wonder why? Could oneness possibly be in error?
    For example, where does it read in the Bible that a person must speak in tongues to be saved?
    When were you saved? Before or after you spoke in tongues?

    God bless you as you search for the truth in His word,

    jean

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    Jean, God does look on the inward, but he also expects his real saints dressed and looking different on the outward when the inward is clean.
    Oneness don't dress like the trinitarians and the world.
    Women don't wear makeup and jewelery nor cut their hair and dress immodestly.
    Neither men or women drink or curse, or smoke and men are to not have long hair or dress immodest and act or look feminine.

    JC

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Carr View Post
    Jean, God does look on the inward, but he also expects his real saints dressed and looking different on the outward when the inward is clean. Oneness don't dress like the trinitarians and the world. Women don't wear makeup and jewelery nor cut their hair and dress immodestly. Neither men or women drink or curse, or smoke and men are to not have long hair or dress immodest and act or look feminine. JC
    "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Oneness."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostTribber View Post
    "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Oneness."
    tribber,
    I don't know any christian that lives the lifestyle which you have described. Do you?
    Can you recite the Ten Commandments today, without looking them up?
    That is how the Lord wants us to live.

    Praise God,
    jean

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostTribber View Post
    "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Oneness."
    post tribber,
    The one signifcant error of the oneness faith is , denying the Trinity.
    Oneness teach that Jesus is his own Father.
    Who died on the cross for your sins? the Son or the Father?
    Please preface your reply with scripture.

    God bless,
    jean

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostTribber View Post
    "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Oneness."
    The verse reads "In Christ."

    jean

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