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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    I think this is a great question.....




    I need to think of a more ways to address this question....
    Think about it as you reread Eph 2:8-9.. re we not taught in that passage that salvation is 100% of God and has nothing to do with our actions? Does it not say clearly that we are saved by God's Grace through Faith that is NOT OF OURSELVES but is a gift of God and NOT OF WORKS, so that no one may boast? Does that not disprove the works based thought here presented by Fig? IHS jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    I think this is a great question.....




    I need to think of a more ways to address this question....
    God is Sovereign. This is something Mormons do not understand. They also do not understand that man is fallen, dead in his spirit, and needs to be brought to life by God's grace. Mormonism is a dangerous cult, since it robs God of His Sovereignty, and tells men they will be equal to God. The initiative is God's, not man's. God calls, God elects, God foreknows. Once we recognize that God really is truly Sovereign, we come to realize how blessed we have been to hear His call. In short, God grants us eternal life because He has enabled us to repent, falling on our knees and calling out for mercy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fig-bearing Thistle View Post
    This is a question regarding the gift of Grace, and Faith.

    What proof can JD and others provide that prove that the gift of Grace and Faith is NOT a RESPONSE from God to Man for the choices Mankind makes, and actions he undertakes.

    Thanks.
    as we ...or I seek to answer this fine question, I have to always keep in mind that "God does not learn anything"

    God does not 'respond" to new things happening ....God does not 'react'

    God does not do things from His point of view "after" something happens.

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    after a bit of listening to others...and checking the text...and my own limited ability to reason....I have come to this answer...

    1st - Galatians 4:6......Romans 8:15.........Mark 14:36 all teach us about how to address and think of God.

    The term we are to use is "Abba"



    yes, an odd little word, that really is never used in real life.

    So I very much doubt that God wants me to call him a name I dont got a clue about and is meaningless to me unless I google it.


    so......lets google it -
    "Abbá – "Father," also used as the term of tender endearment by a beloved child – i.e. in an affectionate, dependent relationship with their father; "daddy," "papa."


    So its clear the idea that Jesus was talking about and the Disciples to for that matter, is a term that gets actross the word a child calls their dad.

    I dont know about you but I never called my dad, "father"
    I dont remember calling him "daddy"...but then I think back to my younger brother and siste, and they did call my dad, "Daddy"...so I guess I must have too when I was a little kid.

    and....truth be told, I think that term of "Daddy" is the most correct and was what Jesus was talking about.

    The word for a father that a very young child uses.


    The term "Dad" is what i called my father when I was a teenager and it was what i called him until he
    died.
    But "Daddy" is what I must have called him when I needed his guidance the most.




    what does this mean to my topic about God "Responding" to men?

    I think now that the use of the term "Daddy" lends itself to the understanding that God is so far above us, and is so wise, and so much ahead of us, that we cant ever dream of say, "God responded to me"
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    as we ...or I seek to answer this fine question, I have to always keep in mind that "God does not learn anything"

    God does not 'respond" to new things happening ....God does not 'react'

    God does not do things from His point of view "after" something happens.
    So--after these repented and were water baptized--are you claiming God did not respond with the forgiveness of sins?

    Acts 2:38--King James Version (KJV)
    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Do you believe the forgiveness of sins is God's grace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fig-bearing Thistle View Post
    This is a question regarding the gift of Grace, and Faith.

    What proof can JD and others provide that prove that the gift of Grace and Faith is NOT a RESPONSE from God to Man for the choices Mankind makes, and actions he undertakes.

    Thanks.
    Read the first chapter of Ephesians..............oops, I guess you can't anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
    So--after these repented and were water baptized--are you claiming God did not respond with the forgiveness of sins?

    Acts 2:38--King James Version (KJV)
    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Do you believe the forgiveness of sins is God's grace?
    the word "for" in that verse means "as pertaining to."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apologette View Post
    the word "for" in that verse means "as pertaining to."
    where does the bible say it means that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    after a bit of listening to others...and checking the text...and my own limited ability to reason....I have come to this answer...

    1st - Galatians 4:6......Romans 8:15.........Mark 14:36 all teach us about how to address and think of God.

    The term we are to use is "Abba"



    yes, an odd little word, that really is never used in real life.

    So I very much doubt that God wants me to call him a name I dont got a clue about and is meaningless to me unless I google it.


    so......lets google it -
    "Abbá – "Father," also used as the term of tender endearment by a beloved child – i.e. in an affectionate, dependent relationship with their father; "daddy," "papa."


    So its clear the idea that Jesus was talking about and the Disciples to for that matter, is a term that gets actross the word a child calls their dad.

    I dont know about you but I never called my dad, "father"
    I dont remember calling him "daddy"...but then I think back to my younger brother and siste, and they did call my dad, "Daddy"...so I guess I must have too when I was a little kid.

    and....truth be told, I think that term of "Daddy" is the most correct and was what Jesus was talking about.

    The word for a father that a very young child uses.


    The term "Dad" is what i called my father when I was a teenager and it was what i called him until he
    died.
    But "Daddy" is what I must have called him when I needed his guidance the most.




    what does this mean to my topic about God "Responding" to men?

    I think now that the use of the term "Daddy" lends itself to the understanding that God is so far above us, and is so wise, and so much ahead of us, that we cant ever dream of say, "God responded to me"
    How did you go from understanding that the term "daddy" is used when we need guidance most to "that God is so far above us, and is so wise, and so much ahead of us, that we cant ever dream of say, "God responded to me"??

    You take the very meaning you understand and say it must not be so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apologette View Post
    the word "for" in that verse means "as pertaining to."
    If repentance and water baptism pertains to the forgiveness of sins--then how do you fit that into faith alone theology?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    I think this is a great question.....




    I need to think of a more ways to address this question....




    When it comes to God's plan for our salvation, what seems clear is that within God's plan and he preordained salvation for Chrostians, there is man's ability to respond to him that is also taken into account.
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