Baptism and Salvation

[Tee Ar @ FB]

This passage does not assert that salvation results from Baptism.
According to Robert A. Morey (D.Min. in Comparative Religion conferred by Westminster {Calvin-ist} Seminary, Philadelphia, Penn.),
the grammatical Number changes from plural to singular to plural, thus indicating that the admonition to be baptized is parenthetically separated from the mandate to repent of sins & the promise that the Holy Spirit would indwell believers.

The middle clause uses a term which is regarded as being mistranslated "for"[*], as if this rendering indicates Baptismal Regeneration. It is not the Greek word which is translated "in order that," i.e. "hina." Instead, it (i.e., "eis") is translated "regarding" in Romans 16:19. It's trans. "unto" in Matthew 3:11, in the clause "I indeed baptize you ... unto repentance" (K.J.V.).

W.R. Martin's associate C.R.I. program-host C.S. Hawkins & his friends on the radio [**] say that it means "in view of."
He's a "1 & a half-point Calvinist" in the conservative Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod.
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* -- Confer The (John F.) MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishers, 2006 [available via J.M.'s church's bookseller Grace Books International @ GBIbooks.com].
Dr. M. suggests "because" as an alternative rendering.

** -- via KKLA-FM, L.A./ kkla.com, on the Salem Radio Network [ www.salem.cc ], Sun. 10 p.m. 1 of his sites' URLs is www.ApologeticsINFO.org. The station carries J.F.M.'s program, too.

[dberrie2000]

Apparently they left the truth WAY early in the game, since salvation has Always been by Faith.

What is your evidence that repentance and water baptism is not integral components of faith?

[dberrie2000]

[QUOTE=Tee Ar @ FB;64890]This passage does not assert that salvation results from Baptism.

Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

But it does state that repentance and water baptism was given for the remission of sins.

[dberrie2000]

Saving faith is a human being believing in the genuine Jesus that he is God incarnate.

What is the difference between faith and saving faith?

[dberrie2000]

James chapter 2 says that we are justified by works and not by faith alone. This is the only place that scripture mentions faith alone. Faith alone has been around only since the reformation.

Could you please share with us what translation you are using?

[dberrie2000]

TBut in fact Salvation is, always has been, and always WILL BE by faith in the shed blood of Christ - PLUS NOTHING.

And what is your evidence that faith does not contain the integral components of repentance and water baptism?

Where in the scriptures does it ever state " faith in the shed blood of Christ - PLUS NOTHING."?

[dberrie2000]

We the Catholics, we accept the protestant baptism and also the orthodox baptism as authentic. A baptism in the name and by the authority of the trinity.

That change one was strange one for me. If the Protestants possess the authority, then the Catholic church can no longer claim to be the one?

[Billyray]

Acts2:38--"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

But it does state that repentance and water baptism was given for the remission of sins.

DB more evidence of your works based theology.

[Nikos]

Not of works lest any man should boast!


Case closed

[Dmarie]

The Bible speaks of different "kinds" of faith:
*saving- (Romans 10:9,10)
*temporary- (Luke 8:13)
*intellectual- (James 2:19)
*dead- (James 2:17,20)

Blessings...Dmarie

[alanmolstad]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Is baptism by water an essential part of a believers salvation?....

well yes, as long as you always remember that it has nothing to do with the water or the amount of water.....