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    johnd
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    Default Apologetics 101

    Father, teach us with your Spirit. Amen.

    Apologetics is often defined as the defense of the faith. And that is a worthy definition. But that is not the only definition, in its entirety. It is the defense not only of what we believe, but why we believe it... because it is true, indicated and authenticated by the Bible (the revelation of Jesus Christ to mankind).

    There are apologists and apologetics of every brand name under the sun. There are Mormon apologists, for example. So contrary to popular impressions, apologetics is not unique to Christianity. However, truth is. And that is what makes Christian apologetics true. Christianity is true.

    There are gray areas of the Christian religion / belief system that are hard to defend. These are areas where man has gone ahead of the Holy Spirit with dogma or doctrine (principal reasons for division and denominations), among them are speaking in tongues, water baptism, Eucharist, Sunday worship, and so on. When one tries to defend these kinds of gray areas as truth (akin to the core truth Jesus saves) then they will eventually find that the dozens of centuries "we've done it this way" has no other reason than "we've done it this way" for dozens of centuries.

    The traditions of men have no basis in scripture which God established as the supreme court of truth.

    John 17:17
    17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

    Psalm 138:2
    2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

    So don't suppose everything in your denominational platform or your Church creeds are all in scripture and as apologetically defensible. Because a 90 day wonder from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society will exploit that ***umption to make you doubt the core doctrines of faith which can be defended by scripture when you are stumped on denominational dogma.

    Mormons missionaries will appeal to your sense of fair play to consider their non-scriptural dogma the same way you did the traditions of your Church which cannot be defended in scripture.

    I never understood this sense of allowing the wolf equal time in the hen house. Common sense discarded in the name fair play. It is part and parcel what ruined this nation (America) with politics, idealism, greed, and religion.

    The U.S. Cons***ution does not stipulate Christianity as the "official" religion of State because it is true and needs no such ranking of State. In fact to do so would diminish the thrust that it is the truth. But that does not mean Christianity is to be handcuffed and shackled to level the debate field so other religions and cults can have equal time and access to the public square (including secular humanism and atheism).

    I thought it was interesting earlier this month that at the public funeral of Michael Jackson the closing prayer was quite deliberately said in Jesus' name. That the family wanted to make a point by even asking the pastor who did so to make this prayer.

    This was a man whose music and antics ran the gambit of all persuasions (including perversions, apparently)... but his family was not hesitant to name the name of Jesus Christ no matter how it would be received or by whom.

    We in America cringe at the name Jesus. Or we cringe when others use it. Did you at least think, uh oh... when he prayed in Jesus name at the funeral? It's because we have been taught to shut up about Jesus in public unless it is to blaspheme his name... then it's come one come all!

    If you think about it, the first thing untruth has to do to conquer truth is to chip away at the distinctions between the two. And truth must become less ***ertive in the name of can we all just get along?

    Apologetics answers an emphatic no!

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    johnd
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    Default set backs to apologetics

    The biggest hindrance to defending the faith (that is, truth) is trying to defend tradition... which in most cases is untruth repeated often enough to seem true or is unquestioned non-truth habitually performed for no other reason than it has been habitually performed in the past without question.

    Case in point: Good Friday and Easter Sunday. A day and a half that can in no way be considered 3 days and 3 nights (Matthew 12:39-40). But it was a Roman tradition. The sun god being prominent in the Empire and the Gospels record the Roman guard was set at Jesus' tomb on Friday.

    Another tradition is paradise in hell (Luke 16:19-31). Misapplying Luke 23:43 to Abraham's bosom (the place in hell for the faithful dead). But 1 Peter 3:18-19 and Ephesians 4:8-10 took place in that three hour period between the Lord's death on the cross and the end of the day putting paradise in heaven (not hell) where God is (in keeping with the only other two references in the Bible to paradise).

    The thing about false traditions they make the truth seem false or paint it in a bad light. This was one reason Jesus told the demon spirits he exorcised to be silent. It was not that their testimony about him was incorrect, but that it would have lent credibility to them. You see, it matters very much the source even of truth.

    A con man wins your confidence by telling truth. And the moment your back is turned... whammo!

    So try to identify actual truth and defend it. Leave the debates over traditions to the "theologians."

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    Jean Chauvin
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    Default Hello John D.

    Hello,

    You have yet to give a Biblical Description of what the process of apologetics really is.

    What do you believe is the proper method of defending the faith?

    Respectfully,

    Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

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    johnd
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    Suppose you lead the way here.

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    Jean Chauvin
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    Default Hi John D.

    Hello,

    Okay, I will pose it as a question to start off.

    Do we argue TO God's Being ("existence") or do we argue FROM God's Being.

    Reasons why and how.

    Respectfully,

    Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

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    johnd
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    Bible argues from.

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    pilgrim1411
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    Here is some ammunition for your historical Jesus studies:

    JESUS AND THE EYEWITNESSES by, Bauckham;
    THE RESURRECTION OF THE SON OF GOD, by N.T. Wright;
    REINVENTING JESUS, by J. Komoszewski,
    THE JESUS LEGEND, By Paul Eddy and Gregory Boyd;
    THE HISTORICAL JESUS, by Habermas;
    THE CASE FOR THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS, by Habermas and Licona;
    THE HISTORICAL RELIABILITY OF THE GOSPELS, by Blomberg;
    ***ESSING THE NEW TESTAMENT EVIDENCE FOR THE HISTORICITY OF THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS, by Craig;
    SHATTERING THE CHRIST MYTH, by Holding;
    TRUSTING THE NEW TESTAMENT, by Holding
    THE ANTE-NICENE FATHERS (Ten Volumes)

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    nothead
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    Quote Originally Posted by pilgrim1411 View Post
    Here is some ammunition for your historical Jesus studies:

    JESUS AND THE EYEWITNESSES by, Bauckham;
    THE RESURRECTION OF THE SON OF GOD, by N.T. Wright;
    REINVENTING JESUS, by J. Komoszewski,
    THE JESUS LEGEND, By Paul Eddy and Gregory Boyd;
    THE HISTORICAL JESUS, by Habermas;
    THE CASE FOR THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS, by Habermas and Licona;
    THE HISTORICAL RELIABILITY OF THE GOSPELS, by Blomberg;
    ***ESSING THE NEW TESTAMENT EVIDENCE FOR THE HISTORICITY OF THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS, by Craig;
    SHATTERING THE CHRIST MYTH, by Holding;
    TRUSTING THE NEW TESTAMENT, by Holding
    THE ANTE-NICENE FATHERS (Ten Volumes)
    Em, duh....where did the canon go? No, not that meely ball cast iron thing you can barely hold up...the CANON. Smartypants.

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    nothead
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    The biggest hindrance to defending the faith (that is, truth) is trying to defend tradition
    Yeah the traditions of men. Like Christ's Deity, made creedal by the Roman Empire in 325 A.D. And the Trinity, made creedal in like, 451, although by now nothead got crosseyed and could not stand to study history anymore.

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