A modest proposal

[Bat-Man]

Originally Posted by asdf

For those who believe that:

1. 100% of embryos, blastocysts, fetuses, babies, and children (up to an 'age of accountability' go to paradise if they die; and
2. The vast majority of people over the age of accountability will be eternally tormented after they die —

Would not the most logical and moral stance be to terminate as many pregnancies (and indeed, kill newborns and children!) as possible? By all probability, would it not be 'rescuing' people, from an eternal perspective?

What am I missing here?

We develop and reveal our true character in the face of opposition, even if that opposition results in our death, so to deprive your child of those types of experiences just because life can get really hard sometimes, would be to deprive them of those opportunities... which perhaps could even help others by seeing the way they "lived" their lives until their death.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Bat-Man

We develop and reveal our true character in the face of opposition, even if that opposition results in our death, so to deprive your child of those types of experiences just because life can get really hard sometimes, would be to deprive them of those opportunities... which perhaps could even help others by seeing the way they "lived" their lives until their death.

Hm...perhaps you misunderstood the OP. I was not referring to a life of hardship, but an afterlife of eternal torture.

If you believe in that, and believe that in all likelihood (based on probability) your child would be subjected to that, then what is depriving them of a few years of 'opportunity' in the light of the certainty of paradise?

And again, this is just a thought experiment. Personally, I don't agree with the premises, so the deductions don't follow. But for those who do agree with the premises, I'm having a hard time seeing how they get around the deduction.

[Bat-Man]

Originally Posted by asdf

Hm...perhaps you misunderstood the OP. I was not referring to a life of hardship, but an afterlife of eternal torture.

You seem to be presupposing that a good person is going to refuse to accept the help of our Savior, which doesn't make good sense to me.

Sure, we all sin, except for our Savior, but we can also be forgiven for all of our sins, and only the worst of people would refuse his help, so why would you even want those people to end up in heaven ?

If you believe in that, and believe that in all likelihood (based on probability) your child would be subjected to that, then what is depriving them of a few years of 'opportunity' in the light of the certainty of paradise?

Nothing at all, unless they would refuse the help of our Savior.

And again, this is just a thought experiment. Personally, I don't agree with the premises, so the deductions don't follow. But for those who do agree with the premises, I'm having a hard time seeing how they get around the deduction.

Me too.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Bat-Man

You seem to be presupposing that a good person is going to refuse to accept the help of our Savior, which doesn't make good sense to me.

I agree, but the thought experiment is aimed at those who believe that the vast majority of all people will refuse to come to God, and thus doom themselves.

Sure, we all sin, except for our Savior, but we can also be forgiven for all of our sins, and only the worst of people would refuse his help, so why would you even want those people to end up in heaven ?

I desire reconciliation for all, even the "worst of people". I don't know what will happen after death, and I honestly don't speculate about it too much. I don't believe the goal of salvation, or Christianity, or knowledge of God, to be "going to heaven after we die".

[Bat-Man]

Originally Posted by asdf

I agree, but the thought experiment is aimed at those who believe that the vast majority of all people will refuse to come to God, and thus doom themselves.

Okay.

I desire reconciliation for all, even the "worst of people". I don't know what will happen after death, and I honestly don't speculate about it too much. I don't believe the goal of salvation, or Christianity, or knowledge of God, to be "going to heaven after we die".

I don't believe the goal of salvation, or Christianity, or knowledge of God, is all about going to heaven after we die, either.

I believe the the goal of salvation, or Christianity, or knowledge of God, is all about becoming as perfect as our Father in heaven, for those who want to.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Bat-Man

I don't believe the goal of salvation, or Christianity, or knowledge of God, is all about going to heaven after we die, either.

I believe the the goal of salvation, or Christianity, or knowledge of God, is all about becoming as perfect as our Father in heaven, for those who want to.

In other words, "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"?

[Bat-Man]

Originally Posted by asdf

In other words, "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"?

Yes, and by that I mean that I believe our focus should be placed on who and what we are and can and will become, as individuals, rather than on WHERE we will live.

[Rickypon]

Yes abortion is as like as murder. The innocent child who did not know any thing about their life and the child is not born yet and their parents decide to kill him this is totally wrong thing. There must be some thing to stop such kind of killing.

[GiGi]

Originally Posted by Bat-Man

You seem to be presupposing that a good person is going to refuse to accept the help of our Savior, which doesn't make good sense to me.

I like to think I'm a good person, and I do not believe that god, or any other supernatural being exists. We're born, we live, we die. That's about it. Without evidence of hell, there's nothing to save us from.
Does that count as a 'refusal'? It makes good sense to me.