Originally Posted by James Banta View Post---What did I just say? Here it is again please read it again... "We will all say no, but works can't save at all..
Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post----But His grace can--and that is what goes to those who obey Him:


Acts 2:38---King James Version (KJV)

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

James--can you explain for us what is it about repentance and water baptism you don't consider a work--and what is it about the remission of sins you don't consider God's grace?

Because if Acts2:38 is true--that is God's grace going to those who obey Him:


Hebrews 5:9---King James Version (KJV)

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
Romans 11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

What role do works play in grace....
When referring to obedience to the gospel of Jesus Christ--it is the basis whereby we receive His grace unto life--as the above scriptures show.

according to this verse DB?
Paul usually denoted the Mosaic Law when he used the term "works"--that is now the belief of many scholars. If you believe he was referring to obedience to the gospel of Christ--could you explain this:


Romans 2:5-11----King James Version (KJV)


5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.