Protestant Christian

[AllyManderson]

Originally Posted by Trinity

Yes.

"The Pope also apologized for the Inquisition, thus hitting not only Spain but Dante,..."
http://wais.stanford.edu/Religion/religion_pope.html
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Protestants in Europe, in England and also in United States have done the same crimes.

Please, before posting, do some research. Thank you.

Trinity

Why do you list England and Europe? England is part of Europe. England is the largest cons***uent country of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The United Kingdom is a member of the European Union. The UK is European.

This would be like saying "Protestants in North America, in Canada...". As a proud British citizen I do not like this manner in which people feel a need to give England seperate regional treatment.

Roman Catholics and Protestants have done a great deal of harm to one another. The inquisition you must accept is one of the most noticeable. But, the inquisition was NOT Christian.

I do not judge Catholics based on Previous Popes - just as I do not judge Jews on the death of Jesus Christ or blame all muslims for the terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom.

Similarly, the Popes apology means nothing to me. As many Catholic might support such actions! (I know that they don't)

The main thing about me as a Christian is that I like to hear from people not designated spokesman and leaders. The Popes apology means no more than an apology from you Trinity.

But it if the fact that Catholics would place special importance on the word of the Pope that makes Protestants expect the Pope to apologise for every little thing.

If you were to sit down and try to apologise for every misdeed of every Roman Catholic you would have as long a life as Noah. A similar amount to if you attempted to do the same for every failure of a Protestant.

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Another thing, You state that people should "do research". I hope that you do not continue to take this tone as you have proven yourself an intellectual I do not think it right for you to talk down to people in such a manner. By all means say "I suggest you look at..." "You may want to..." but do not state "do some research".

The fact that you are smart is a great gift you have been given. Do not demand that other show the same. If someone is doing their best with the brain they are given you should not aim a petty **** towards them.

You are far better than that.

[Trinity]

Originally Posted by AllyManderson

Why do you list England and Europe? England is part of Europe. England is the largest cons***uent country of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The United Kingdom is a member of the European Union. The UK is European.

I was referring to a different time of the history. Not about the modern Europe or the modern America. But about the period where there was conflicts and wars between England with Spain, France or Germany. To begin with Henry Vlll.

Please be indulgent with my English because this is not my native language. Sometimes I can lack in clarifications.

The fact that you are smart is a great gift you have been given. Do not demand that other show the same. If someone is doing their best with the brain they are given you should not aim a petty **** towards them.

I agree. It is very easy to patronize. I am trying to correct this bad habit.

Oliver Cromwell was also a very effective protestant inquisitor (ex: Ireland m***acre).

Trinity

[AllyManderson]

Originally Posted by Trinity

I was referring to a different time of the history. Not about the modern Europe or the modern America. But about the period where there was conflicts and wars between England with Spain, France or Germany. To begin with Henry Vlll.

Please be indulgent with my English because this is not my native language. Sometimes I can lack in clarifications.



I agree. It is very easy to patronize. I am trying to correct this bad habit.

Oliver Cromwell was also a very effective protestant inquisitor (ex: Ireland m***acre).

Trinity

Now this is the problem that we have. Cromwell, who took over from the Monarchy, was ***isted by Scottish and Irish soldiers. The "English Civil War" was a very BRITISH war.

To claim that Oliver Cromwell's misdeeds represent England and not Britain is, from my position as Scottish and British, unfair. Remember that the "English" monarchy overthrown also had its roots in Scotland and it was supported by many Scots as well.

Henry VIII was supported by a great deal of Scottish money and Scottish soldiers.

You can't talk about England without talking about Scotland - particularly after the Union of the Crowns.

[Trinity]

Originally Posted by AllyManderson

Now this is the problem that we have. Cromwell, who took over from the Monarchy, was ***isted by Scottish and Irish soldiers. The "English Civil War" was a very BRITISH war.

To claim that Oliver Cromwell's misdeeds represent England and not Britain is, from my position as Scottish and British, unfair. Remember that the "English" monarchy overthrown also had its roots in Scotland and it was supported by many Scots as well.

Henry VIII was supported by a great deal of Scottish money and Scottish soldiers.

You can't talk about England without talking about Scotland - particularly after the Union of the Crowns.

The simple truth is that Cromwell had targeted the Catholics. Many died and suffered great pains because of his anti-catholicism. Even after his death the consequences of his wars and politics were terrible, and especially for the Catholics of Ireland.

"One of the worst famines in modern times in the Western world was the Irish famine of 1846 through 1849. It started as the result of a prolonged potato blight that over several years caused the nation’s potatoes to rot. While this occurred not only in Ireland but also in other parts of Europe, it had a devastating impact in Ireland. Four factors caused the disease to become a tragedy of enormous proportions: As a result of the British occupation and Cromwell’s wars, most of the Irish were peasants engaged in subsistence agriculture. The potato was their staple food. They had little income beyond whatever minuscule incomes they could make from the sale of the potato and other farm products. Second, they did not own their farmsteads, but were tied to Protestant or British landlords who insisted that they should continue to pay their rent even when no income could be obtained. As they could not pay, hundreds of thousands were evicted. Third, Ireland was not an independent country with its own government, which might have recognized its responsibility to take remedial action; Ireland was under British rule..." [p. 344-345]

Encyclopedia of Genocide and Crimes against Humanity
Edited by Dinah Shelton
Thomson & Gale Encyclopedia
Volume -2-, 2005, 1458 pages.
http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-G...9599692&sr=1-1

Dinah Shelton is the Patricia Roberts Harris Research Professor of Law at George Washington University Law School. Before joining George
Washington in 2004, she taught international law and was director of the doctoral program in international human rights law at the University of Notre Dame Law School (1996-2004). Shelton is the author of three prize-winning books and has also served as a legal consultant to the United Nations Environment Programme, UNITAR, World Health Organization, European Union, Council of Europe, and Organization of American States.

Trinity