[Sir;140047]Since I was kind of bored tonight, I thought I would take James Banta's conjecture (in red) and his issues with LDS repentance and add a little commentary with my questions to YOU, the non-LDS here:
Doesn't seem like a problem. If one is to repent of their sins they must feel a genuine sense of sorrow, an understanding of what they did that was an offense to God. To be healed from sickness one must first recognize they are sick.
What is wrong with this step according to you non-LDS?
The problem isn't having sorrow for sin. The problem is believing that you don't find sorrow for being a sinner in the first place.. We all have sinned and we continue to sin daily and yet LDS don't seem to have sorrow for that but instead try to take sins they "Feel" one at a time and go through their repentance process..
Yes, we must confess our sins to God so He can forgive us. When LDS confess more grave sins (like adultry, as James knows about quite well) to the church leaders, it is not in order to receive any type of forgiveness since they have not the power to forgive. It is to receive their guidance and help in returning to the path of God and being an upstanding member of the church of God here on earth.
What is wrong with this step according to non-LDS?
What is wrong is the fact that you are not willing to confess that you are a sinner and have God deal with your sin completely.. You were born naturally and without a new birth a spiritual birth you have not confessed your place before God. That of a sinner His enemy..
If someone is to repent of adultry (James), then it makes perfect sense that true repentance requires that the person refrain from committing adultry again. When you repented of your adultry, James, did you quit doing it? Or are you of the opinion that one can simply ask for forgiveness of adultry on Friday and then go out and do it again on Sa****ay and then ask God for forgieness again in Sunday, only to go do it again on Monday?
That you claim "no one has ever abandoned sin" is a gross misrepresentation and misunderstanding on your part of the principle of repentance and forgiveness.
What is wrong with the idea of stopping the sin that is being repented of according to non-LDS?
What is wrong with this.. The fact that once you have repented to God and turned to Him He has made you a new creation.. That new creation is in the image of Jesus and is 100% pure.. There is no sin in it at all.. Yes the flesh is still there but it is no longer the person that commits sin but sin that is still there in their flesh (Romans 7:17-20).. You know that after you go through this process of LDS repentance that you still go back and commit the same sin again and again.. I am sorry but this is the nature of the beast. This is why Jesus came to be righteousness for us, because in ourselves there is no power to do righteousnesses.. To say we are or even that we can be is the pinnacle of SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS just like the Pharisees..
So what is wrong with this point of LDS repentance? It doesn't correct the problem within us.. We sin and sin and sin again.. Over and over the same old thing and that is rebellion against God..
When we repent, we need to correct the wrong. If I steal a bike from my neighbor, I am not truly repenting if I simply ask for God's forgiveness and then continue riding my newly ill-gotten bike in front of my neighbor's house.
Some sins cannot be restored, as James suggests, which is why we always need the atonement of Jesus. His atonement paid the price of our sins and it is through His atonement that the payment for the res***ution is made.
What is wrong with the principle of righting a wrong as part of our repentance process according to the non-LDS?
I am glade you have seen that Jesus is the ONLY way to have atonement made for our sin. What does the Bible teach as who we sin against even when it hurts others? So what is wrong with this point of LDS repentance. It doesn't deal with our sin, any of it..
Psalm 51 3:-4
For I know my transgressions, And my sin is ever before me.
Against You, You only, I have sinned. And done what is evil in Your sight,
So that You are justified when You speak. And blameless when You judge.
The ONLY atonement that can be made is that which Jesus made.. Merely restoring what a person steals is NOT enough.. The law calls for blood when a person breaks the Law. James tells us that breaking one point of the law makes us guilty of breaking the whole of the law.
So what is wrong with this point of LDS repentance.. IT doesn't make up for (atone) for the wrong done.. That is what is wrong with it..
When one truly seeks reprentance, they do so with a spirit of wanting to follow God better, to become more like Him. That requires that we change aspects of our lifestyle in order to conform more to the path that God wants us to follow. If I repent of frequenting strip clubs, I am not truly repentant if I do not change my lifestyle and stop going to those strip clubs.
What is wrong with the principle of changing your lifestyle to be more righteous as part of the repentance process according to the non-LDS?
This condition of LDS repentance doesn't have one thing to do with the process of sanctification. It is stated that the repentant person loves the rest of their love sinless.. NOT ONCE HAS THIS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED BY ANY ONE OF YOU EVER. This wasn't even done by the apostle Paul (Romans 7:19).. How can you sit here and tell us you are greater in your spiritual life than he? And yet this is a step in LDS repentance and by it I can clearly state that not one of you has ever repented on one single sin in your life.. IHS jim