The Atonement of Jesus Christ---all men--or just a few?

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
Sorry, Billyray--but what I bear testimony here is LDS theology--which you know little of, despite your claims.

What is found in the Bible is also found in the LDS church.

Originally Posted by Billyray

OK let's test your claim since you seem to want to actually discuss Mormonism.

Can you show me where it teaches Temple marriage between a man and a women in the NT?

That's a good question. But how does it test my claim?---"What is found in the Bible is also found in the LDS church."

But it does teach eternal marriage in heaven in the Bible--and the LDS teach that also.

Revelation 19:7-9---King James Version (KJV)

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

[James Banta]

[dberrie2000;148653]That's a good question. But how does it test my claim?---"What is found in the Bible is also found in the LDS church."

But it does teach eternal marriage in heaven in the Bible--and the LDS teach that also.

Revelation 19:7-9---King James Version (KJV)

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

It is a false claim.. Mormonism through Joseph Smith hold that God became God.. The Bible teaches us that God has been God from everlasting to everlasting.. In all the Bible the priest duty before God was to offer sacrifice for the sin of the people, yes that included a sacrifice for leprosy.. In no way were they rulers of Israel by the virtue of being priests.. The offices of Bishop (Elder), and Deacon and the governing offices of authority in the Church.. No priesthood accompanied these offices of authority..

Is eternal marriage something that we will see in heaven.. Yes between Jesus and His Church.. Not between men and women.. I tell people all the time that I believe in eternal marriage.. I am the bride.. If you don't see it that way DB you have again doubted the word of God.. IHS jim

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

That's a good question. But how does it test my claim?---"What is found in the Bible is also found in the LDS church."

You claim what is found in the Bible is found in Mormonism. Yet you have yet to show me anywhere in the NT where it teaches temple marriage between a man and his wife like that found in the LDS church. Do you think you will ever get around to show to me this?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

That's a good question. But how does it test my claim?---"What is found in the Bible is also found in the LDS church."

Where in the NT church do we find temple work like that found in the LDS church?

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Billyray

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Well--if God's Atonement was not for all--then they coming to repentance would not make any difference--right?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Well--if God's Atonement was not for all--then they coming to repentance would not make any difference--right?

Anyone who comes to Christ by faith will be saved but we know that all men will not do so AND God who is all knowing certainly knows who will come to Him and who will not before anyone was even born.

Now your turn, do you believe that Jesus PAID for every sin for every person and if so what is the basis for sending anyone to Hell.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Anyone who comes to Christ by faith will be saved but we know that all men will not do so AND God who is all knowing certainly knows who will come to Him and who will not before anyone was even born.

Now your turn, do you believe that Jesus PAID for every sin for every person and if so what is the basis for sending anyone to Hell.

Yes--I believe the scriptures point to the fact Christ died for all sins for all people in all places for all time:


1 John 2:2---King James Version (KJV)

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


The reason all people are not saved is they do not obey the Redeemer of all mankind--and therefore--do not receive of His grace unto life.


Hebrews 5:9---King James Version (KJV)
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;