Originally Posted by
James Banta
You got it anyway.. It is clear that all historic LDS leaders spoke of the Father being the literal Father of Jesus, the same way mortal fathers are the fathers of their children.. That isn't cloning.. To say it is is a flat denial of your leaders teaching and the Biblical record..
Begotten means begotten,
Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp. 546-47).
Maybe it's that you don't understand the literal leaning of the word begotten:
Begotten means to procreate. Some of it's synonyms are spawn, sire, breed, father.. Cloning is not to father it is to replicate..
Well there is that.. I don't meet many s t u p i d people..
I rule it out because to believe that Jesus is a clone means that he is a creation of some other being.. The Bible tell us that before the God of the Bible no other God was formed and that none will be formed after Him.. You can believe that the father took His own DNA, which he doesn't have to start with, and made another divine being from that sample.. But as I just pointed out no other God was formed before or after that divine being.. This God that you believe could have cloned Jesus also said that He doesn't even know that any other God exists.. And how long has this God been God? The Bible says from everlasting and will be God to everlasting.. Those p***ages smash your cloning nonsense or that Jesus was ever spiritually created by the Father.. UNLESS GOD IS A LIAR..
The Christian here didn't invent that idea.. It is one more garbage doctrine taught in mormonism by it's prophets..
The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been ***ociated together in the capacity of Husband and Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father: we use the term lawful Wife, because it would be blasphemous in the highest degree to say that He overshadowed her or begat the Saviour unlawfully. It would have been unlawful for any man to have interfered with Mary, who was already espoused to Joseph; for such a heinous crime would have subjected both the guilty parties to death, according to the law of Moses. But God having created all men and women, had the most perfect right to do with His own creation, according to His holy will and pleasure: He had a lawful right to overshadow the Virgin Mary in the capacity of a husband, and beget a Son (The Seer, p. 158)
See we only tell you the truth of what the foundational leaders of mormonism had taught.. You don't believe it is is you that in unknowingly out of step with the teachings of the LDS church..
Really which of his claims were wrong.. I didn't see even one that was out of step with the teaCHING OF THE PREEXISTANCE..
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (known informally by the nickname Mormons) believe the Bible. Indeed, so literally and completely do their beliefs and practices conform to the teachings of the Bible that it is not uncommon to hear informed persons say: 'If all men believed the Bible, all would be Mormons.' Bible doctrine is Mormon doctrine, and Mormon doctrine is Bible doctrine. They are one and the same" (What The Mormons Think of Christ, p. 2).
Then you deny the teachings of your prophets and leaders that most LDS believe God set before the church as teachers, those holding the message of God for the church.. You are NOT a mormon, you deny their teachings, you have even gone above the command to not establish your own righteousness. You have rebelled even against the lies that Smith and his followers have taught.. Take this cloning nonsense to Sunday School and see how it play out there.. You are NOT in agreement with the Bible nor the false teachings of mormonism. You have become a clone of Bert..
The Bible teaches that Jesus is the image of the invisible God.. So if He were a clone he would be invisible.. How can you, I, or Joseph Smith see that which is invisible? How many times do you need to see Isaiah 9:6.. Jesus is the Child that was born unto us and he is the Mighty God, he is the Everlasting Father.. Make it all fit into your beliefs or deny it all.. Looks like to me you have denied it all..
If that is possible show me one instance that it has been done.. Your church teaches that the Father was the literal father of Jesus.. You deny That.. The Bible teaches that Mary was found to be with Child of the Holy Spirit.. Cloning would mean that Jesus would be like the father in every way.. Your own teachers said that Jesus inherited the ability to conquer death from the Father. From His mother he received the ability to die.. If he was a clone he wouldn't have any human traits at all.. He could never have died.. His death proves your theory wrong.. IHS jim