Originally Posted by
James Banta
This is not an experiment or a demonstration of anything other than your ability to disbelieve God's word..
I am not going to use the word Ghost or even Spirit to try to explain this to you. I will only use the Bible..
Col 1:13-16
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him
Are you going to be one that tells be that because God isn't standing right before me that He is invisible? If that were the case I am also invisible to you.. No, invisible doesn't mean that; it means that which can not be seen. Jesus then is the image of the God who can't be seen.. A body of flesh and bone is never invisible..
If I include the word Spirit (NUMA). Which you see fit to call a ghost which is more literally the word wind. Jesus used that word to tell us about the nature of God.. He later told His disciples that such a person has no physical body, no body of flesh and bone like His own.. So in context how is NUMA mistranslated as Spirit? Show me how the word "wind" works in those context where Jesus draws a line between those persons who have no body and those that do.
When a doctrine is taught openly by the Prophet seer and revelator of the LDS church in Conference of that church. is that not confirmation? I don't see that it can be anything else.. It was taught by Young, in 1862 and in 1870, published in the JofD..
He [Jehovah] was the Son of our Heavenly Father, as we are the sons of our earthly fathers. God is the Father of our spirits, which are clothed upon by fleshly bodies, begotten for us by our earthly fathers. Jesus is our elder brother spirit clothed upon with an earthly body begotten by the Father of our spirits. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 2, September 28, 1862)
we actually believe that God the Father is our heavenly Father, that we are His children; and we believe that Jesus Christ is our elder brother—that he is actually the Son of our Father and that he is the Savior of the world, and was appointed to this before the foundations of this earth were laid. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, pp. 235-256, February 20, 1870)
In more modern times an apostle of the LDS church taught that:
God the Father is a perfected, glorified, holy Man, an immortal Personage. And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, for he is the Son of God, and that designation means what it says. (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 742)
It would seem that the doctrine we read from the accounts of President Young continues in to the modern era when Elder McConkie was a central figure of the LDS church.
Seems clear enough to me..
"Why do the LDS cling to the teaching that there are three Gods, with whom we have to do, instead agreeing with God through His word that there is ONE GOD; that created ALL things visible and invisible?"
I did add one s and a couple of comas for you.. Hope that helps..
As I said there is one God, that God is the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. By the context of the verse it is clear that the Person of Jesus is the Person that actually preformed the creation. That doesn't mean the Father ans the Holy Spirit were not just as responsible..
You have offered your opinion. When I asked for answers I did says those answers had to be Biblically based.. So what is your Biblical basis for your opinions.. Give me something that shows you are based in God's word not what you have been taught in Sunday school.. Sorry but you haven't even tried to answer my questions.. I will still say that on LDS poster here has ever answered one of my questions with the authority of the scripture..
The truth is truth.. It doesn't change.. Thank you for seeing that my posts agree and follow God's example and they don't change either.. If stating God's word is the use of p l a t i t u d e s I will use p l a t i t u d e s. It using a p***age that teaches that God is invisible has nothing to do with a discussion about the nature of God then you again lack understanding, not just of me but of God's word..
Most of my post don't mention Smith at all other than to quote his teaching and compare them to the Bible.. When I speak about polygamy, the BofM, or the LDS attacks against the Christian Church, it is hard to leave his name out.. Just as what I have to endure from the LDS here as they attack Christianity though attacking the reformers.. IHS jim