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phoenix posted:
Maybe in your dreams he did.
You are so terrified of the possibility that he didn't make the whole thing up, that you desperately lash out at people whom you don't even know. You call them names. You insult them. You break half the rules that Jesus wants His disciples to obey. That's how scared you are of the possibility that Joseph Smith couldn't have made the whole thing up. It's a pretty pathetic thing to watch: the desperate, childish outbursts, in a public forum.
You sound just like the gay community. . .if you show them to be flawed in their reasoning, you must somehow be terrified of them.
What makes you think anything your religion has to offer is worth being 'terrified' of? I know, in the past your religion did things like the mountain meadows m***acre, and joe smith trying to shoot people as he tried to escape jail, but what violence should we fear today?
My God, the God of the BIBLE protects me from the evil your religion offers, forgives ALL of my sins, so what's to fear?
Here are some words from the Book of Mormon:
"Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God." (Mormon, chapter 5)
Once again, text without context is only cheap pretext. I guess that is all you have to offer, stuff that your false prophet stole from the king james translation of the Bible.
....and you're saying that there's no one, anywhere who can verify those words??
No, that's not what I am saying. I stated very clearly that NOT ONE SINGLE EVENT, PERSON, or PLACE that joe smith made up in his book of mormon can be verified as ever existing in the real world (no 'spirit-brother-of-satan' jesus, no nephites, none of the junk he made up at all).
And you still cannot deal with the fact that all you have is a conman with his face in a hat, pretending to "translate" from a peepstone. NOT ONE WORD of your bom was translated by ANYONE ELSE.
That's too bad, that you don't think you are able to verify those words. It's sad, really, when in reality, millions and millions of Christians, who aren't Christian in screen-name only, can and do verify that Jesus is the Christ and is the Son of God.
And millions of Christians have been verifying it over many centuries.
You still have nothing but text taken from the BIBLE, not joe smith's own stuff, text taken OUT OF ITS CONTEXT, making your PRETEXT look stupid.
So you're claiming that Joseph Smith, all by himself, translated over 500 pages of text in a few short months' time. Do you think you could do something like that, without help from anyone else, and without any electronic devices?
No, joe didn't translate anything at all. He stuck his face into a hat with a rock and SPOKE, told stories. ANYONE could do that.
Or was Joseph Smith able to do something that you admit you are UNable to do?
YOU made that claim, I did not. I could EASILY tell stories like that.
But you said that NOT ONE WORD was translated by anyone OTHER than joe smith himself. Now you say he DIDN"T translate anything. Aren't you contradicting yourself?
No contradiction at all. Joey told fairytales. NOBODY ever translated any of joe's junk at all. You may try to TWIST my words to make them sound like I say things I never said, but then that is you telling lies, not me saying what you claim.
I think you're proving yourself wrong.
Then you are intentionally ignorant of the TRUTH. The TRUTH is that joe smith CLAIMED TO TRANSLATE by looking into his hat at a rock when IN REALITY all he did was tell fairytales.
His scribes and his wife were eyewitnesses. You were not.
You were not either. And joey and his gang of miscreants don't count for much at all.
They say he translated the Book of Mormon. They never changed their testimony of that. Their testimony carries a lot more weight than the childish rantings of some anonymous nobody on the internet--who wasn't there, who wasn't a witness.
The finished product is verifiable evidence.
COMPLETELY FALSE. NOT ONE PERSON, PLACE OR EVENT IN THE BOM can be verified as EVER EXISTING in REAL LIFE. You have NO EVIDENCE AT ALL. The Qur'an, and the Bhavad Gita (sp?) are just as 'well' written. As reading material, your bom is dry, not inspiring at all.
And the pretended 'test' of its veracity, that you read it and pray to God to see if it is true or not is phoney. MANY of us did that and got EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE answer that you claim you got.
Do you REALLY BELIEVE in a god that contradicts itself?
They testimony of the eyewitnesses is verifiable evidence, since their statements can be verified as actually coming from them. The fact that you are unable to do what Joseph Smith did, is evidence that he had abilities that you can only dream of.
Just like many statements by white supremecists can be 'verified' in the same way.No, your supposed 'evidence' is still really evidence of nothing. Joey and his little gang of cronies played their stupid game, but in reality it was nothing more than that. . .they just played "let's play religion" together.