no need to restore the truth

[alanmolstad]

so there was this guy out there, doing works in the name of Christ and getting results.
Then along come the 12 and they see this going on, and how this guy was unknown to them, and how he was not under their authority.
So the 12 decide that they did not want people doing works that were not part of their own org, so they tried to stop him.

Later, they talk about what they had seen going on and what they did to stop it with the Lord.

The idea they must have had is that they were going to get a "Good ***" from Christ.
The 12 were looking to hear that they and only they were to be spreading the word of the Lord to people, and that all others would be under their authority.
They wanted to hear from Christ that all future teachings would be coming to the people though them.

This would have been the correct moment for Jesus to make it clear that all future members of his church should be united under the control and oversight of the 12 hand-picked men .

This would have been the moment to make it clear for all history that there is but one official church org, and that you had to join and be under the guidance of the Lord though his 12.

But that did not happen.




Not then.


Not now.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

so there was this guy out there, doing works in the name of Christ and getting results.
Then along come the 12 and they see this going on, and how this guy was unknown to them, and how he was not under their authority.
So the 12 decide that they did not want people doing works that were not part of their own org, so they tried to stop him.
Later, they talk about what they had seen going on and what they did to stop it with the Lord.
The idea they must have had is that they were going to get a "Good ***" from Christ.

i think your summary of this p***age is very good, up to this point. the good works the man was doing was casting out devils in Jesus' name.

The 12 were looking to hear that they and only they were to be spreading the word of the Lord to people, and that all others would be under their authority.

not sure it says they were thinking about spreading the word, but at least they didn't think non-apostles should be exorcising demons.

They wanted to hear from Christ that all future teachings would be coming to the people though them.

i didn't see that in the p***age, it seemed to be all about who should and shouldn't be casting out demons

This would have been the correct moment for Jesus to make it clear that all future members of his church should be united under the control and oversight of the 12 hand-picked men .

unless the issue was just "it is okay for non-apostles to cast out demons?"

This would have been the moment to make it clear for all history that there is but one official church org, and that you had to join and be under the guidance of the Lord though his 12.
But that did not happen.

maybe the apostles already knew that it was THEIR responsibility and authority to RUN the church. maybe what they misunderstood was just whether it was okay for church members who were non-apostles to be exorcising demons.

plus, paul made it clear in his letter (4th chapter) to the ephesians that the apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists etc. were there to lead and guide the members so that someday they would reach a unified state of perfect faith and edification.