Here it is again.
Here it is again.
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)--Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
interesting point.....and true enough I guess.
However 1 Kings 8:27 reads a bit differently than just saying a temple cant contain the Lord...
But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built!
God is spirit, and a spirit does not have flesh and bones.
That seems to indicate you do not believe Jesus Christ is God:
Luke 24:39---King James Version (KJV)
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Jesus is both God and MAN!.....
Two totally different natures in the one person.
The divine nature of Christ is and always will be pure spirit.
And the human nature of Christ has a physical body of flesh and bone.
Understand now?
You are welcome,
Last edited by alanmolstad; 05-25-2017 at 01:20 AM.
I understand you testified God does not have flesh and bones:
Then--you explain God really does possess a body of flesh and bones, by splitting up the nature of God into two different natures.Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built!
God is spirit, and a spirit does not have flesh and bones.
So--does God have a body of flesh and bones?
once again,,,Jesus has two totally different natures.
Jesus is both God and man.
Both 100% God Almighty, and 100% human.
In his nature as God, Jesus is pure spirit.
In his nature as man he is flesh and bone.
understand now?
We are not splitting the nature of God....the nature of God remains unchanged and always pure spirit.
But in the incarnation the Lord Jesus took on to himself the additional nature of man...
Jesus never stopped being God, never stopped being pure spirit .
But within his 2nd nature of a man Jesus is flesh and bone.
Thats is why we can say that "a spirit has not flesh and bone" and yet jesus had flesh and bone, and at the same time we can say that Jesus is God, and "God is spirit" and a spirit does not have flesh and bone.
2 different natures,,,always in play...
Last edited by alanmolstad; 05-25-2017 at 06:49 PM.
I guess English is NOT your primary language? Is YOUR father as ignorant as that sounds?Are you calling Jesus' Father a criminal?
Are you calling Jesus a criminal? Why can't the expression "Like Father, like Son" be used as a reference to two GOOD people, to say that a Son is very good because He takes after His Father?
Yes I can, because I am familiar with the Bible, so I will help you out:
"God's Son has all the brightness of God's own glory and is like him in every way."
Hebrews 1:3 (Contemporary English Version)
Like Father, like Son.
NOBODY has called God a criminal and NOBODY has called Jesus Christa Criminal.
AND OF COURSE you have never found that particular idiom in the Bible; it isn't there. . .you have to SPECULATE to make it appear to be there.
Your so-called 'familiarity' with the Bible seems to be SADLY LACKING in the CONTEXT department.
Is THAT why you chose such a mediocre translation of that PARTIAL P***AGE, COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT?
Heb 1:1-4
1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
NASU
Heb 1:3-4
3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
ESV
I checked at least a half-dozen OTHER good translations, and THEY ALL disagree with your mediocre translation's rendering.
You must have looked pretty hard to find that poor translation. It doesn't fit the GREEK at all. In the Greek, it is literaly the 'character of his person,' NOT an exact ANYTHING!
Aaah, but then if that is ALL you can come up with. . .
STILL no 'like father, like son pretending that someone OTHER THAN YOURSELF thinks God the Father and Jesus are criminals. . .SUCH IGNORANCE!!!!!!
Don't the lds believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are 3 DIFFERENT AND DISTINCT gods, only TWO of which have bodies, but ALL THREE OF WHICH are 'true gods' just like THEY CAN BECOME 'if they are good enough to be exalted to godhood'????
Of course, THEIR god is credited with 'begetting' THEIR 'jesus' and THEIR 'satan' as 'spirit brothers. . .'
SAD, isn't it? Their demons and their gods are close relatives!
I understand there is an obvious contradiction:
Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built!
God is spirit, and a spirit does not have flesh and bones.
FLDS, like the other 150 or so lds religions is NOT a Christian church by ANY rational description. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRIST'S ORIGINAL CHURCH which has existed alive and well for about 2,000 years now.
If it was alive and well--then why the need for a Reformation--where numerous new denominations were created with a different theology?
And no one has answered the question--does God have a resurrected body of flesh and bones?
Luke 24:39---King James Version (KJV)
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
John 4:24
24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
NKJV
Luke 24:39
39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
NKJV
WHAT would you propose His 'body' would be made of IF NOT FLESH OR BONES? Green Jello?
still the only correct answer by the way....
Self-contradiction. You don't believe in one 'being' (meaning God) with 3 persons, but you CLAIM you believe they are 3 different 'persons' who are one God.
You are contradicting yourself. So you believe they are separate 'persons,' but not separate 'persons.' Talk about convoluted and confusing religion!
AND
Your religion tells you that demons and Jesus are close relatives (spirit-brothers)
What a load of manure!
That is not my belief. Since you are merely addressing a straw man, the LDS position stands unrefuted.
If you want to talk about Protestantism, take it to the appropriate forum.Talk about convoluted and confusing religion!
I was quoting you back to you. IF you had tracked the conversation a little better, YOU WOULD KNOW I was referring to YOUR false religion. Are you NOW trying to claim that YOU ARE A PROTESTANT?
That is not my belief. Since you are merely addressing a straw man, the LDS position stands unrefuted.Originally Posted by Christian View Post
You are contradicting yourself. So you believe they are separate 'persons,' but not separate 'persons.'
Then why did you post it? YOU SAID it.
YOU SAID:
Did you lie?No. We believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are 3 DIFFERENT AND DISTINCT persons who are one God (not one being with three personalities).
If you want to talk about Protestantism, take it to the appropriate forum.Talk about convoluted and confusing religion!
You should try to TRACK a little better.
knox posted:
Amen to all that. Well said. I wonder if the other implication in that p***age, is that just as Jesus didn't think it robbery to be equal with His Father, we should not think it robbery to want to become like Jesus.
Jesus is (and was) GOD. You and I are not. We cannot BE God. . .no matter HOW MANY 'manmade ordinances' we try to follow. You are simply out of luck.
The only info we have in the Bible on that, is Jesus saying that He only did what He saw His Father doWhat the did the Father die for and what was the purpose for his early resurrection ahead of all of us carnalized spirit babies?
FALSE CLAIM. The TRUTH is that He did ALL THAT THE FATHER TOLD HIM TO DO. His Father didn't walk on water, feed the 5,000, or die on the cross for our sins. ONLY JESUS DID those things.
and the Bible verse that says that Jesus is like His Father in every way, which would mean that the Father is like Jesus in every way.
Out of context? OF COURSE you do not include chapter or verse so we can look for ourselves. . .
THAT figures. . .you can't produce it!
the correct answer is that within the nature of the One true God there are three divine persons.
Each is distinct from the other,,,each is called "God" yet there are not three gods but only the one God.
The Father is God
The Son is God
The Spirit is God.
Three in union, a tri-union,, a tri-unity or we say a "trinity"