Who is Highest in the Trinity?

[BuckGardner]

The Trinity is three persons, one God.

Prove it with p***ages and a source from the Bible, not from man made creeds and outside biblical sources.

The Father is God. Gal.1:1

The Father is God, Eph.4:6

The son is God. Jn.1:1

DOES NOT SAY THE SON IS GOD THERE, you insert a theological idea, into the p***age, the Fatehr is God Mal. 2:10 and 1 Cor. 8:6 and Eph. 4:6.
The Son of God is just what it says, the "Son" of God and God is Spirit and that which is the Son is the human flesh and tabernacle of God and his dwelling place.


The Holy Spirit is God. Acts 5:3-4

God is Spirit and according to Eph. 4;4, there is One Spirit and not man, so this is Jesus in his spirit state.
See Col.1:27

Co-equal. One God. Isa.43:10-11, Mal.3:6-7

There is no such thing as co-equal, since there is no three persons or something called the trinity.
These two p***ages say nothing of the sort (it is all a mind game with you folks).

Jesus is God robed in flesh.

Jesus is God robed in the flesh and Jesus is God that is Spirit!
Jesus is not a hybrid man-god second person .

The Trinity is also a mystery. We can't understand it fully.

Bible says no such thing and 1 TIM.3;16 gives us the answer to suh if there was truly and such idea floating around.
MYSTERY OF GODLINESS, GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH.
Not that God was flesh a man the Son of God.

We have the scriptures that reveals part of this mystery, from there we walk by faith.
Please read the above p***ages.

You are walking off a cliff and straight into the Cultism of Rome and the Trinity farce.

May God reveal the truth to you, to get you out of the error you are in,
Buck

[ActRaiser]

Buck, you seem to be arguing with the Bible.

[Beukeboom]

Originally Posted by BuckGardner

Prove it with p***ages and a source from the Bible, not from man made creeds and outside biblical sources.

Buck, first off, learn to use the quote feature.

Secondly, the whole of Scripture reveals the Holy Trinity. The answers to the following questions give evidence that when taken in totality, the Bible teaches the doctrine of the Trinity:

Who does the Bible say is God?
The Father (Eph. 4:6)? Yes!
The Son (***us 2:13; John 1:1,14; 20:28)? Yes!
The Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4)? Yes!
The one and only true God (Deut. 4:35)? Yes!

Therefore the Bible says that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all Jehovah God.

Who raised Jesus from the dead?
The Father (Romans 6:4)? Yes!
The Son (John 2:19-21; 10:17,18)? Yes!
The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11)? Yes!
God (Acts 3:26, 13:30, 17:30,31; 1 Thess. 1:9,10; Heb. 13:20)? Yes!

Therefore the Bible says that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in the unity as God were responsible for raising Jesus from the dead.

Who saves man?
Who REGENERATES man?
The Father (1 Peter 1:3)? Yes!
The Son (John 5:21, 4:14)? Yes!
The Holy Spirit (John 3:6; ***us 3:5)? Yes!
God (1 John 3:9)? Yes!

Therefore the Bible says that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in the unity as God are responsible for regenerating man.

Who JUSTIFIES man?
The Father (Jer. 23:6, cf. 2 Cor. 5:19)? Yes!
The Son (Romans 5:9, 10:4; 2 Cor. 5:19-21)? Yes!
The Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 6:11; Gal. 5:5)? Yes!
God (Romans 4:6, 9:33)? Yes!

Therefore the Bible says that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in the unity as God are responsible for justifying man.

Who SANCTIFIES man?
The Father (Jude 1)? Yes!
The Son (***us 2:14)? Yes!
The Holy Spirit (1 Peter 1:2)? Yes!
God (Exodus 31:13)? Yes!

Therefore the Bible says that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in the unity as God are responsible for regenerating man.

Who propitiated God's just anger against man for his sins?
The Father (1 John 4:14; John 3:16, 17:5, 18:11)? Yes!
The Son (Matthew 26:28; John 1:29; 1 John 2:2)? Yes!
The Holy Spirit (Heb. 9:14)? Yes!
God (2 Cor. 5:1; Acts 20:28)? Yes!

Therefore the Bible says that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in the unity as God had propitiated God's just anger against man for his sins?

BIBLICAL CONCLUSION: The Bible clearly teaches the doctrine of the Trinity.

Though some exalt human reason against the doctrine of the Trinity, saying that it is "unreasonable," people who submit their minds to God's Word must conclude that it is unreasonable NOT to believe in it.

Recommended reading:

The Trinity: Evidence And Issues by Robert Morey
The Forgotten Trinity by Dr. James R. White
Testimonies Of The Ante-Nicene Fathers To The Doctrine Of The Trinity by Edward Burton
The Holy Trinity: In Scripture, History, Theology, and Worship by Robert Letham
God in Three Persons by E. Calvin Beisner
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: Relationships, Roles, and Relevance by Bruce A. Ware
Trinity & Triunity: Salvation and the Nature of the Godhead by E. Charles Heinze
The Trinitarian Controversy by William G. Rusch
The Trinity by Edward H. Bickersteth
The Trinity In The New Testament by Arthur W. Wainwright
Making Sense of The Trinity by Millard J. Erickson
Our Triune God by Peter Toon
Correcting The Cults: Expert Responses To Their Scripture Twisting by Norman Geisler & Ron Rhodes
Why You Should Believe In The Trinity by Robert M. Bowman, Jr.
Christian Theology by Millard J. Erickson
Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem
The Fundamentals by R.A. Torrey
Systematic Theology by Charles Hodge
The King James Study Bible
The NIV Study Bible
The ESV Study Bible
The Apologetics Study Bible
The Quest Study Bible
The MacArthur Study Bible

Also, there are many reliable and well-documented online resources showing the Trinity to be Biblically based doctrine. One such collection of resources may be found on www.Monergism.com on this page: http://www.monergism.com/directory/l...egory/Trinity/

And reading the essay en***led “What Does The Bible Reveal About The Trinity?” by Dr. John Ankerberg and Dr. John Weldon also goes into greater Biblical detail than the constraints of this forum will allow.

[johnd]

Originally Posted by BuckGardner

The Trinity is three persons, one God.

Prove it with p***ages and a source from the Bible, not from man made creeds and outside biblical sources.

Hey, a man after my own heart. I don't like creeds or traditions either. But that being said... here goes...

The Father is God. Gal.1:1

The Father is God, Eph.4:6

The son is God. Jn.1:1

DOES NOT SAY THE SON IS GOD THERE, you insert a theological idea, into the p***age, the Fatehr is God Mal. 2:10 and 1 Cor. 8:6 and Eph. 4:6.
The Son of God is just what it says, the "Son" of God and God is Spirit and that which is the Son is the human flesh and tabernacle of God and his dwelling place.

Let's look at the record.

John 1:1-3 clearly says that he who existed in the beginning with God (the Word) created all things. Yes? cI'll quote it and show ya.

John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Echoed in:

Colossians 1:13-18
13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Through him. By him. For him.

Isaiah 44:24
24 “This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,

Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

This was done alone by himself the Word who was with God in the beginning, and the scriptures clearly say that he the Word is God and that God (alone who also claims to be YHVH the LORD) created all things.

There's no escaping the consistency of the p***ages of scripture.

And for you oneness types, the Word is not the Father. There is only one thing the Father is credited in scripture for creating and that's the Son (the human body of Jesus):

John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Hebrews 10:5-12
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

So modalism is wrong. The Father is not the Creator the Word is who is God and was with God (the Father and the Holy Spirit) in the beginning. Incidentally, the only thing the Holy Spirit is credited with creating is the Bible:

2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Ghost (contrary to popular opinion) is not the Father of the Son. Luke's account:

Luke 1:26-35
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, AND the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

The Holy Spirit was there as an attendant. But clearly there are two being referred to here. And if you factor in the third (Jesus himself) this is a Triune attended event.

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[johnd]

The Holy Spirit is God. Acts 5:3-4

God is Spirit and according to Eph. 4;4, there is One Spirit and not man, so this is Jesus in his spirit state.
See Col.1:27

Ephesians 4:1-7
1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of (one) Christ.

One cross. One Abraham. One world. Unity is the point. The unity of the Spirit (the Comforter / Counselor) Holy Spirit sent by both the Father and the Son (John 14:26 and John 15:26) into the world. Being sent by very nature declares the one(s) sending and the one being sent cannot be one and the same persons / individuals. That's evidence and I would say proof of the Trinity.

The p***age does not say there is only one Spirit. It does not specify divine or other wise. And surely you understand there are many spirits. The p***age is referring to the individual Holy Spirit and yes there is just one of him. And one Spirit who is God the Father and one Spirit who is both man and Spirit, God the Son.

Co-equal. One God. Isa.43:10-11, Mal.3:6-7

There is no such thing as co-equal, since there is no three persons or something called the trinity.

A statement you make without proof. I say your car is orange. That is a statement I make without proof.

You are no more authoritative than I. It only matters what the Bible says. And as I have already shown, the Bible proves you wrong.

Jesus is God robed in flesh.

Jesus is God robed in the flesh and Jesus is God that is Spirit!
Jesus is not a hybrid man-god second person .

Once again, the word of Buck is trying to trump the word of God.

Philippians 2:6-8 in the Greek states he remained in the form of God AND became a man.

morphe theos huparchon.

He became man. He did not possess a man. That's what devils and demons do. Are you trying to make God out to be like them, Buck?

The Trinity is also a mystery. We can't understand it fully.

Bible says no such thing and 1 TIM.3;16 gives us the answer to such if there was truly and such idea floating around.
MYSTERY OF GODLINESS, GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH.
Not that God was flesh a man the Son of God.

This also makes my case. God was manifested in the flesh. He did not simply inhabit a man. He became a man. This is the intent of the p***age. It is not a solution to the mystery of the nature of God.

I will say I am tired of hearing how hard the Trinity is to understand when it is not hard to understand at all. We simply have to stop thinking of God as a singular one. Family is an example of a unity of plurality. We understand it perfectly. Likewise with God. God is a singleness of unity (unity by it's very nature means more than one being alike or agreeing).

So, Trinitarians, stop parroting Hank Hanagraaff and start using your own brains.