Originally Posted by
nrajeff
---You're saying that God predestined everyone for salvation? What about your Carm friends who claim that the Bible teaches that God CREATED some people to be vessels for destruction? And that David said he was born in iniquity, a sinner right from the womb? Are you saying your Carm friends, and FJD and Libby are wrong? That they believe non-Christian doctrines?
---You are a man, correct? God created you, correct? Are you saying that God created you with a perfect nature?
--What you have said--that we were created with the ability to choose our own destiny, that it wasn't predestinated before the world was created, that we were made with a perfect nature--all that CONTRADICTS TULIP.
Listen it's because we are predestined to salvation not to wrath. This is what I find as I look into predestined:
Rom 8:29-30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestined, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Eph 1:5,11
Having predestined us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will
Not one mention of being predestined to wrath.. That is what I meant not that all were predestined to life.. Just that no one is predestined to wrath. IHS jim